Red Mosquito

Do you.... Do you think cities are autonomous from the national political economy?

PHATJ wrote:

Strat wrote:Yea but Bob Kroll is a repiblican and staunch trump supporter and yea he's also president of the Minneapolis Police Federation.

Phatj, you have to be reasonable at both ends of the spectrum then. Where does the buck stop with Trump with your same approach here?

C'mon. I know you are intelligent. Look deep within you. This is not a my team vs your team only thing. Nuance. Lets think here.

Did you see the source of that tweet? Super liberal, activist, Shaun King. If he’s willing to admit that all these cities with the worst shit going on right now are run from top to bottom by Democrats, why aren’t most Democrats willing to say the same. The fact is most of these cities have been liberal run for decades. That’s verifiable fact, not assumption.

You didnt answer my point.

And i dont care that SHaun king is a leftist liberal. I dont care that he's supposed to be on my "team". its a stupid fucking tweet in my opinion.

digster wrote:Why yes, it's happening in Democratic cities. And Republican cities. And moderate cities. And urban areas. And rural areas. And it between. It's almost like it's something systemic.

Not exactly accurate on your part, digster. It’s vast majority liberal cities that have been that way for a looong time.

PHATJ wrote:Experts warned the economy would lose another 7.5 million jobs in May, but instead we gained 2.5 million.

That's an interesting way to spin it. Technically true, but April saw numbers that this only begins to address.

PHATJ acting like this is another gotcha moment where the politician getting his ass handed to him by protestors more than any other in the country is fucking Bill de Blasio.

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Strat wrote:Yea but Bob Kroll is a repiblican and staunch trump supporter and yea he's also president of the Minneapolis Police Federation.

Phatj, you have to be reasonable at both ends of the spectrum then. Where does the buck stop with Trump with your same approach here?

C'mon. I know you are intelligent. Look deep within you. This is not a my team vs your team only thing. Nuance. Lets think here.

Did you see the source of that tweet? Super liberal, activist, Shaun King. If he’s willing to admit that all these cities with the worst shit going on right now are run from top to bottom by Democrats, why aren’t most Democrats willing to say the same. The fact is most of these cities have been liberal run for decades. That’s verifiable fact, not assumption.

You didnt answer my point.

And i dont care that SHaun king is a leftist liberal. I dont care that he's supposed to be on my "team". its a stupid fucking tweet in my opinion.

Your obviously allowed you opinion, but what is your basis for calling it stupid? What facts refute his point?

Rob wrote:

PHATJ wrote:Experts warned the economy would lose another 7.5 million jobs in May, but instead we gained 2.5 million.

That's an interesting way to spin it. Technically true, but April saw numbers that this only begins to address.

Oh, I certainly recognize that, but I’m also happy to have finished May better off by several million jobs than what was predicted. It also gives me hope that we can recover in the next several months.

Again, this is where you always seem to get slipped up, PHATJ. The protestors are undoubtedly predominantely on the left side of the dial, but they're able to see past their partisanship in a way that you can't seem to do with yours. Their problem is with Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo. They don't care as much about the letter after the name as you do. If they did, they'd be taking it easy on the avowed liberal running NYC. It's silly to say their ideology is in the center, but they're not shackled to their partisanship in the way that you're shackled to yours.

digster wrote:PHATJ acting like this is another gotcha moment where the politician getting his ass handed to him by protestors more than any other in the country is fucking Bill de Blasio.

Protesters can and have been misguided before, and they could be now. Just because some people hate the president doesn’t mean everyone feels that way.

PHATJ wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Strat wrote:Yea but Bob Kroll is a repiblican and staunch trump supporter and yea he's also president of the Minneapolis Police Federation.

Phatj, you have to be reasonable at both ends of the spectrum then. Where does the buck stop with Trump with your same approach here?

C'mon. I know you are intelligent. Look deep within you. This is not a my team vs your team only thing. Nuance. Lets think here.

Did you see the source of that tweet? Super liberal, activist, Shaun King. If he’s willing to admit that all these cities with the worst shit going on right now are run from top to bottom by Democrats, why aren’t most Democrats willing to say the same. The fact is most of these cities have been liberal run for decades. That’s verifiable fact, not assumption.

You didnt answer my point.

And i dont care that SHaun king is a leftist liberal. I dont care that he's supposed to be on my "team". its a stupid fucking tweet in my opinion.

Your obviously allowed you opinion, but what is your basis for calling it stupid? What facts refute his point?

Because its a surface level comment with absolutely 0 nuance. What are your thoughts on Bob kroll? There is shit going back with him for 14 years. He's the president of the police federation in MPLS. Does he have no blame?

You always try and turn this into a democrat/repiblican thing.

We, here , are stating THIS ALL NEEDS TO FUCKING CHANGE.

This isn't a gotcha moment, phatj. And it adds nothing to the conversation

here: https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/1a ... 371be0eb8e

That time period was all republican leaders. So, what say you? Are all republicans liable for police brutality?

Also jobs are up because George Soros and the Antifa Corporation went on a big hiring spree, so, you're welcome

PHATJ wrote:

digster wrote:PHATJ acting like this is another gotcha moment where the politician getting his ass handed to him by protestors more than any other in the country is fucking Bill de Blasio.

Protesters can and have been misguided before, and they could be now. Just because some people hate the president doesn’t mean everyone feels that way.

Honestly dude, how many great grandparents do you have? 7? 6? This is gibberish.

Also, this may be my favorite chart of all time.

digster wrote:Again, this is where you always seem to get slipped up, PHATJ. The protestors are undoubtedly predominantely on the left side of the dial, but they're able to see past their partisanship in a way that you can't seem to do with yours. Their problem is with Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo. They don't care as much about the letter after the name as you do. If they did, they'd be taking it easy on the avowed liberal running NYC. It's silly to say their ideology is in the center, but they're not shackled to partisanship in the way that you are.

I’m hardly shackled. I don’t always vote “R”. I’ve voted “I” several times. I actually strongly argued AGAINST Trump before his election. There were several candidates I preferred. This isn’t about political dogma in every respect for me. It’s about truth, reality, and moving forward in the best way possible.

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Strat wrote:Yea but Bob Kroll is a repiblican and staunch trump supporter and yea he's also president of the Minneapolis Police Federation.

Phatj, you have to be reasonable at both ends of the spectrum then. Where does the buck stop with Trump with your same approach here?

C'mon. I know you are intelligent. Look deep within you. This is not a my team vs your team only thing. Nuance. Lets think here.

Did you see the source of that tweet? Super liberal, activist, Shaun King. If he’s willing to admit that all these cities with the worst shit going on right now are run from top to bottom by Democrats, why aren’t most Democrats willing to say the same. The fact is most of these cities have been liberal run for decades. That’s verifiable fact, not assumption.

You didnt answer my point.

And i dont care that SHaun king is a leftist liberal. I dont care that he's supposed to be on my "team". its a stupid fucking tweet in my opinion.

Your obviously allowed you opinion, but what is your basis for calling it stupid? What facts refute his point?

Because its a surface level comment with absolutely 0 nuance. What are your thoughts on Bob kroll? There is shit going back with him for 14 years. He's the president of the police federation in MPLS. Does he have no blame?

You always try and turn this into a democrat/repiblican thing.

We, here , are stating THIS ALL NEEDS TO FUCKING CHANGE.

This isn't a gotcha moment, phatj. And it adds nothing to the conversation

here: https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/1a ... 371be0eb8e

That time period was all republican leaders. So, what say you? Are all republicans liable for police brutality?

Bob Kroll is a piece of shit and should be fired. I’m 100% against police unions.

digster wrote:Also, this may be my favorite chart of all time.

My favorite too. What an incredible recovery following a global pandemic. Incredible.

PHATJ wrote:

digster wrote:Again, this is where you always seem to get slipped up, PHATJ. The protestors are undoubtedly predominantely on the left side of the dial, but they're able to see past their partisanship in a way that you can't seem to do with yours. Their problem is with Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo. They don't care as much about the letter after the name as you do. If they did, they'd be taking it easy on the avowed liberal running NYC. It's silly to say their ideology is in the center, but they're not shackled to partisanship in the way that you are.

I’m hardly shackled. I don’t always vote “R”. I’ve voted “I” several times. I actually strongly argued AGAINST Trump before his election. There were several candidates I preferred. This isn’t about political dogma in every respect for me. It’s about truth, reality, and moving forward in the best way possible.

Than I don't really know what your issue would be with protestors. If you're truly independent and not wanting it to be about parties, I'd think you'd find a lot of common ground with the person who wants both Trump and de Blasio to pack their bags. That person at least has shown they're willing to call out their own.

PHATJ wrote:

digster wrote:PHATJ acting like this is another gotcha moment where the politician getting his ass handed to him by protestors more than any other in the country is fucking Bill de Blasio.

Protesters can and have been misguided before, and they could be now. Just because some people hate the president doesn’t mean everyone feels that way.

What are these protesters misguided about then? Police brutality is okay? Is the protesting not about police brutality, with an emphasis on systemic racism?

PHATJ wrote:

digster wrote:Also, this may be my favorite chart of all time.

My favorite too. What an incredible recovery following a global pandemic. Incredible.

I’m glad Trump had the job markets perform better in memory of George Floyd.

digster wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

digster wrote:Again, this is where you always seem to get slipped up, PHATJ. The protestors are undoubtedly predominantely on the left side of the dial, but they're able to see past their partisanship in a way that you can't seem to do with yours. Their problem is with Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo. They don't care as much about the letter after the name as you do. If they did, they'd be taking it easy on the avowed liberal running NYC. It's silly to say their ideology is in the center, but they're not shackled to partisanship in the way that you are.

I’m hardly shackled. I don’t always vote “R”. I’ve voted “I” several times. I actually strongly argued AGAINST Trump before his election. There were several candidates I preferred. This isn’t about political dogma in every respect for me. It’s about truth, reality, and moving forward in the best way possible.

Than I don't really know what your issue would be with protestors. If you're truly independent and not wanting it to be about parties, I'd think you'd find a lot of common ground with the person who wants both Trump and de Blasio to pack their bags. That person at least has shown they're willing to call out their own.

I have zero issue with Trump not being President. I don’t love him at all. I like him a million times better than anybody the Dems have paraded around over the last year. And he’s infinitely better than Biden. But there are plenty of people I’d much rather have the job.