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Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 10:43 pm
by Mickey
PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:Again, this is where you always seem to get slipped up, PHATJ. The protestors are undoubtedly predominantely on the left side of the dial, but they're able to see past their partisanship in a way that you can't seem to do with yours. Their problem is with Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo. They don't care as much about the letter after the name as you do. If they did, they'd be taking it easy on the avowed liberal running NYC. It's silly to say their ideology is in the center, but they're not shackled to partisanship in the way that you are.
I’m hardly shackled. I don’t always vote “R”. I’ve voted “I” several times. I actually strongly argued AGAINST Trump before his election. There were several candidates I preferred. This isn’t about political dogma in every respect for me. It’s about truth, reality, and moving forward in the best way possible.
Than I don't really know what your issue would be with protestors. If you're truly independent and not wanting it to be about parties, I'd think you'd find a lot of common ground with the person who wants both Trump and de Blasio to pack their bags. That person at least has shown they're willing to call out their own.
I have zero issue with Trump not being President. I don’t love him at all. I like him a million times better than anybody the Dems have paraded around over the last year. And he’s infinitely better than Biden. But there are plenty of people I’d much rather have the job.
PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:Which, you know, fits a larger pattern of equivocation, a la "I'm not a fan of Trump but he's better than those Democrats." Did you vote for him? Do you post about how he's being mistreated by the media? Sorry bud, but you're a fan, or at least, a supporter. Politics doesn't happen in some imaginary ideal realm.
I’m a supporter for sure. That doesn’t mean I condone or believe all his rhetoric.
It means I think he’s better than anything the left has to offer, and there are no other viable choices.
So which is it? Sounds like you have at least one issue.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 10:45 pm
by Rob
It's clearly not true that PhatJ has any serious issue with Trump being president. At least he hasn't shown that.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 10:48 pm
by PHATJ
Strat wrote:PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:Which, you know, fits a larger pattern of equivocation, a la "I'm not a fan of Trump but he's better than those Democrats." Did you vote for him? Do you post about how he's being mistreated by the media? Sorry bud, but you're a fan, or at least, a supporter. Politics doesn't happen in some imaginary ideal realm.
I’m a supporter for sure. That doesn’t mean I condone or believe all his rhetoric. It means I think he’s better than anything the left has to offer, and there are no other viable choices.
Show me where the bad liberal touched you
Where to start...
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 10:48 pm
by Mickey
Lmao imagine leaning into that joke.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 10:49 pm
by Mickey
Is my hatred of the left due to a personal grievance? Brother, is it ever!
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 10:52 pm
by verb_to_trust
Imagine ascribing any positive qualities to a man like Donald Trump, let alone making the sweeping declaration that an entire political demographic cannot possibly rise above the sheer perfection that is Trump.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 10:54 pm
by verb_to_trust
Imagine "HES PRO ISRAEL!" being enough to justify your president gassing his own citizens
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 10:54 pm
by Mickey
Also being pro-Israel is bad. Encouraging Bibi's settler state is probably one of the most ethically repugnant things Trump has done.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 10:57 pm
by verb_to_trust
Mickey wrote:Also being pro-Israel is bad. Encouraging Bibi's settler state is probably one of the most ethically repugnant things Trump has done.
That's part of the point
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:04 pm
by Rob
verb_to_trust wrote:Mickey wrote:Also being pro-Israel is bad. Encouraging Bibi's settler state is probably one of the most ethically repugnant things Trump has done.
That's part of the point
Yup. It is ethically repugnant in a time when you can get away with it.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:10 pm
by PHATJ
Mickey wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:Again, this is where you always seem to get slipped up, PHATJ. The protestors are undoubtedly predominantely on the left side of the dial, but they're able to see past their partisanship in a way that you can't seem to do with yours. Their problem is with Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo. They don't care as much about the letter after the name as you do. If they did, they'd be taking it easy on the avowed liberal running NYC. It's silly to say their ideology is in the center, but they're not shackled to partisanship in the way that you are.
I’m hardly shackled. I don’t always vote “R”. I’ve voted “I” several times. I actually strongly argued AGAINST Trump before his election. There were several candidates I preferred. This isn’t about political dogma in every respect for me. It’s about truth, reality, and moving forward in the best way possible.
Than I don't really know what your issue would be with protestors. If you're truly independent and not wanting it to be about parties, I'd think you'd find a lot of common ground with the person who wants both Trump and de Blasio to pack their bags. That person at least has shown they're willing to call out their own.
I have zero issue with Trump not being President. I don’t love him at all. I like him a million times better than anybody the Dems have paraded around over the last year. And he’s infinitely better than Biden. But there are plenty of people I’d much rather have the job.
PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:Which, you know, fits a larger pattern of equivocation, a la "I'm not a fan of Trump but he's better than those Democrats." Did you vote for him? Do you post about how he's being mistreated by the media? Sorry bud, but you're a fan, or at least, a supporter. Politics doesn't happen in some imaginary ideal realm.
I’m a supporter for sure. That doesn’t mean I condone or believe all his rhetoric.
It means I think he’s better than anything the left has to offer, and there are no other viable choices.
So which is it? Sounds like you have at least one issue.
Id rather many other republicans be president than Trump. I’d rather Trump than any of the potential Dems. Is that easy enough for you to understand?
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:11 pm
by wease
PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:Again, this is where you always seem to get slipped up, PHATJ. The protestors are undoubtedly predominantely on the left side of the dial, but they're able to see past their partisanship in a way that you can't seem to do with yours. Their problem is with Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo. They don't care as much about the letter after the name as you do. If they did, they'd be taking it easy on the avowed liberal running NYC. It's silly to say their ideology is in the center, but they're not shackled to partisanship in the way that you are.
I’m hardly shackled. I don’t always vote “R”. I’ve voted “I” several times. I actually strongly argued AGAINST Trump before his election. There were several candidates I preferred. This isn’t about political dogma in every respect for me. It’s about truth, reality, and moving forward in the best way possible.
Than I don't really know what your issue would be with protestors. If you're truly independent and not wanting it to be about parties, I'd think you'd find a lot of common ground with the person who wants both Trump and de Blasio to pack their bags. That person at least has shown they're willing to call out their own.
I have zero issue with Trump not being President. I don’t love him at all. I like him a million times better than anybody the Dems have paraded around over the last year. And he’s infinitely better than Biden. But there are plenty of people I’d much rather have the job.
PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:Which, you know, fits a larger pattern of equivocation, a la "I'm not a fan of Trump but he's better than those Democrats." Did you vote for him? Do you post about how he's being mistreated by the media? Sorry bud, but you're a fan, or at least, a supporter. Politics doesn't happen in some imaginary ideal realm.
I’m a supporter for sure. That doesn’t mean I condone or believe all his rhetoric.
It means I think he’s better than anything the left has to offer, and there are no other viable choices.
So which is it? Sounds like you have at least one issue.
Id rather many other republicans be president than Trump. I’d rather Trump than any of the potential Dems. Is that easy enough for you to understand?
So it IS political dogma, then. Since you’ll never vote democrat.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:11 pm
by PHATJ
verb_to_trust wrote:Imagine ascribing any positive qualities to a man like Donald Trump, let alone making the sweeping declaration that an entire political demographic cannot possibly rise above the sheer perfection that is Trump.
It’s that bad for the Dems. They’re truly awful. Imagine not seeing that even though it’s blatantly obvious.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:12 pm
by Strat
PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:Again, this is where you always seem to get slipped up, PHATJ. The protestors are undoubtedly predominantely on the left side of the dial, but they're able to see past their partisanship in a way that you can't seem to do with yours. Their problem is with Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo. They don't care as much about the letter after the name as you do. If they did, they'd be taking it easy on the avowed liberal running NYC. It's silly to say their ideology is in the center, but they're not shackled to partisanship in the way that you are.
I’m hardly shackled. I don’t always vote “R”. I’ve voted “I” several times. I actually strongly argued AGAINST Trump before his election. There were several candidates I preferred. This isn’t about political dogma in every respect for me. It’s about truth, reality, and moving forward in the best way possible.
Than I don't really know what your issue would be with protestors. If you're truly independent and not wanting it to be about parties, I'd think you'd find a lot of common ground with the person who wants both Trump and de Blasio to pack their bags. That person at least has shown they're willing to call out their own.
I have zero issue with Trump not being President. I don’t love him at all. I like him a million times better than anybody the Dems have paraded around over the last year. And he’s infinitely better than Biden. But there are plenty of people I’d much rather have the job.
PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:Which, you know, fits a larger pattern of equivocation, a la "I'm not a fan of Trump but he's better than those Democrats." Did you vote for him? Do you post about how he's being mistreated by the media? Sorry bud, but you're a fan, or at least, a supporter. Politics doesn't happen in some imaginary ideal realm.
I’m a supporter for sure. That doesn’t mean I condone or believe all his rhetoric.
It means I think he’s better than anything the left has to offer, and there are no other viable choices.
So which is it? Sounds like you have at least one issue.
Id rather many other republicans be president than Trump. I’d rather Trump than any of the potential Dems. Is that easy enough for you to understand?
I think we're sad that you still love Trump enough to vote for him. Especially as you put it, you have been known to vote independent. If you hate the two party system, perhaps your vote could be utilized in a ....manner in which i approve

Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:12 pm
by PHATJ
Mickey wrote:Is my hatred of the left due to a personal grievance? Brother, is it ever!
You have zero ability to understand sarcasm.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:12 pm
by Strat
PHATJ wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:Imagine ascribing any positive qualities to a man like Donald Trump, let alone making the sweeping declaration that an entire political demographic cannot possibly rise above the sheer perfection that is Trump.
It’s that bad for the Dems. They’re truly awful. Imagine not seeing that even though it’s blatantly obvious.
How'd you feel about the soaring economy throughout the entirety of Obamas occupancy of the house?
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:14 pm
by JuanHamm
Strat wrote:PHATJ wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:Imagine ascribing any positive qualities to a man like Donald Trump, let alone making the sweeping declaration that an entire political demographic cannot possibly rise above the sheer perfection that is Trump.
It’s that bad for the Dems. They’re truly awful. Imagine not seeing that even though it’s blatantly obvious.
How'd you feel about the soaring economy throughout the entirety of Obamas occupancy of the house?
Fake news
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:14 pm
by PHATJ
wease wrote:PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:Again, this is where you always seem to get slipped up, PHATJ. The protestors are undoubtedly predominantely on the left side of the dial, but they're able to see past their partisanship in a way that you can't seem to do with yours. Their problem is with Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo. They don't care as much about the letter after the name as you do. If they did, they'd be taking it easy on the avowed liberal running NYC. It's silly to say their ideology is in the center, but they're not shackled to partisanship in the way that you are.
I’m hardly shackled. I don’t always vote “R”. I’ve voted “I” several times. I actually strongly argued AGAINST Trump before his election. There were several candidates I preferred. This isn’t about political dogma in every respect for me. It’s about truth, reality, and moving forward in the best way possible.
Than I don't really know what your issue would be with protestors. If you're truly independent and not wanting it to be about parties, I'd think you'd find a lot of common ground with the person who wants both Trump and de Blasio to pack their bags. That person at least has shown they're willing to call out their own.
I have zero issue with Trump not being President. I don’t love him at all. I like him a million times better than anybody the Dems have paraded around over the last year. And he’s infinitely better than Biden. But there are plenty of people I’d much rather have the job.
PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:Which, you know, fits a larger pattern of equivocation, a la "I'm not a fan of Trump but he's better than those Democrats." Did you vote for him? Do you post about how he's being mistreated by the media? Sorry bud, but you're a fan, or at least, a supporter. Politics doesn't happen in some imaginary ideal realm.
I’m a supporter for sure. That doesn’t mean I condone or believe all his rhetoric.
It means I think he’s better than anything the left has to offer, and there are no other viable choices.
So which is it? Sounds like you have at least one issue.
Id rather many other republicans be president than Trump. I’d rather Trump than any of the potential Dems. Is that easy enough for you to understand?
So it IS political dogma, then. Since you’ll never vote democrat.
Didn’t say that. And I have voted Dem before. I said Trump is better than anything the Dems are offering at this point. But there are absolutely Republicans and independents I’d prefer.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:16 pm
by PHATJ
Strat wrote:PHATJ wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:Imagine ascribing any positive qualities to a man like Donald Trump, let alone making the sweeping declaration that an entire political demographic cannot possibly rise above the sheer perfection that is Trump.
It’s that bad for the Dems. They’re truly awful. Imagine not seeing that even though it’s blatantly obvious.
How'd you feel about the soaring economy throughout the entirety of Obamas occupancy of the house?
You mean the economy that he promised wouldn’t recover when he left office. The one he admitted was a mess and said Trump didn’t have a magic wand to fix?
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Fri June 05, 2020 11:16 pm
by Mickey
PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:PHATJ wrote:digster wrote:Again, this is where you always seem to get slipped up, PHATJ. The protestors are undoubtedly predominantely on the left side of the dial, but they're able to see past their partisanship in a way that you can't seem to do with yours. Their problem is with Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo. They don't care as much about the letter after the name as you do. If they did, they'd be taking it easy on the avowed liberal running NYC. It's silly to say their ideology is in the center, but they're not shackled to partisanship in the way that you are.
I’m hardly shackled. I don’t always vote “R”. I’ve voted “I” several times. I actually strongly argued AGAINST Trump before his election. There were several candidates I preferred. This isn’t about political dogma in every respect for me. It’s about truth, reality, and moving forward in the best way possible.
Than I don't really know what your issue would be with protestors. If you're truly independent and not wanting it to be about parties, I'd think you'd find a lot of common ground with the person who wants both Trump and de Blasio to pack their bags. That person at least has shown they're willing to call out their own.
I have zero issue with Trump not being President. I don’t love him at all. I like him a million times better than anybody the Dems have paraded around over the last year. And he’s infinitely better than Biden. But there are plenty of people I’d much rather have the job.
PHATJ wrote:Mickey wrote:Which, you know, fits a larger pattern of equivocation, a la "I'm not a fan of Trump but he's better than those Democrats." Did you vote for him? Do you post about how he's being mistreated by the media? Sorry bud, but you're a fan, or at least, a supporter. Politics doesn't happen in some imaginary ideal realm.
I’m a supporter for sure. That doesn’t mean I condone or believe all his rhetoric.
It means I think he’s better than anything the left has to offer, and there are no other viable choices.
So which is it? Sounds like you have at least one issue.
Id rather many other republicans be president than Trump. I’d rather Trump than any of the potential Dems. Is that easy enough for you to understand?
Starting to sound like you actually have *many* issues with Trump not being president.
