Red Mosquito

harmless wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I refuse to give up hope that this record will get shelved

This part seems likely, if not the rest.

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Just to clarify: I love RVM (studio version), it's one of my favourite early PJ songs. But if I get it live and I check my watch during the 'jam' in the middle, it's because all of the tension has been sapped out of the song by the band's wankery, and then by the intro I'm not interested anymore. The studio version (and some earlier live versions I guess) had just enough tension and release. If these guys were virtuoso musicians and able to carry a ridiculously long jam session, it might be a different story, but they aren't, so it isn't.

Agreed. That jam can be nuclear winter in length sometimes.
Steals from the immediacy and intention of the song.

LetMeSleep wrote:Holy shitballs. 57 days to go.

Kevin Davis wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Just to clarify: I love RVM (studio version), it's one of my favourite early PJ songs. But if I get it live and I check my watch during the 'jam' in the middle, it's because all of the tension has been sapped out of the song by the band's wankery, and then by the intro I'm not interested anymore. The studio version (and some earlier live versions I guess) had just enough tension and release. If these guys were virtuoso musicians and able to carry a ridiculously long jam session, it might be a different story, but they aren't, so it isn't.

Agreed. That jam can be nuclear winter in length sometimes.
Steals from the immediacy and intention of the song.

I think the jam had its in-bloom phase too--it's exactly the sort of thing the band was in the frame of mind to pull off during, say, the 2000 tour, a few moments of introverted catharsis where nothing mattered beyond the five guys onstage. But like itself the song has since 1995-6, the jam has been pretty lifeless since about 2003. It's really not about being virtuoso musicians, it's just about having the presence of mind to listen to what the other guys in the band are doing, and new-and-improved extroverted shout-it-from-the-rooftops Pearl Jam just aren't conditioned for the sort of patience and focus required for improvised music in general, let alone a passage like this that's about collective mood and texture rather than just a band supporting a soloist.

Kevin Davis wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Just to clarify: I love RVM (studio version), it's one of my favourite early PJ songs. But if I get it live and I check my watch during the 'jam' in the middle, it's because all of the tension has been sapped out of the song by the band's wankery, and then by the intro I'm not interested anymore. The studio version (and some earlier live versions I guess) had just enough tension and release. If these guys were virtuoso musicians and able to carry a ridiculously long jam session, it might be a different story, but they aren't, so it isn't.

Agreed. That jam can be nuclear winter in length sometimes.
Steals from the immediacy and intention of the song.

I think the jam had its in-bloom phase too--it's exactly the sort of thing the band was in the frame of mind to pull off during, say, the 2000 tour, a few moments of introverted catharsis where nothing mattered beyond the five guys onstage. But like itself the song has since 1995-6, the jam has been pretty lifeless since about 2003. It's really not about being virtuoso musicians, it's just about having the presence of mind to listen to what the other guys in the band are doing, and new-and-improved extroverted shout-it-from-the-rooftops Pearl Jam just aren't conditioned for the sort of patience and focus required for improvised music in general, let alone a passage like this that's about collective mood and texture rather than just a band supporting a soloist.

Cleverman wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Lament wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Habit everything sounded best in 1998.

Breath sounded better in 1992.

Doesn't count. Different band. You're thinking of the Mookie Blaylocks....

Remember when 5H helped organize the Breath sign campaign in 98 then talked shit about other groups doing their own sign campaigns? I'm a 5H/MFC survivor. Never forget

harmless wrote:Just to clarify: I love RVM (studio version), it's one of my favourite early PJ songs. But if I get it live and I check my watch during the 'jam' in the middle, it's because all of the tension has been sapped out of the song by the band's wankery, and then by the intro I'm not interested anymore. The studio version (and some earlier live versions I guess) had just enough tension and release. If these guys were virtuoso musicians and able to carry a ridiculously long jam session, it might be a different story, but they aren't, so it isn't.

VinylGuy wrote:

Cleverman wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Lament wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Habit everything sounded best in 1998.

Breath sounded better in 1992.

Doesn't count. Different band. You're thinking of the Mookie Blaylocks....

Remember when 5H helped organize the Breath sign campaign in 98 then talked shit about other groups doing their own sign campaigns? I'm a 5H/MFC survivor. Never forget

Man that thing was great...those girls were a little bit too much intense though.

harmless wrote:Is this getting close?

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

harmless wrote:Is this getting close?

Its getting closer, but not fast enough though

ItsOkay wrote:Some albums aren't great because of awful songs (see "Nightswimming" and "Everybody Hurts").

harmless wrote:

ItsOkay wrote:Some albums aren't great because of awful songs (see "Nightswimming" and "Everybody Hurts").

VinylGuy wrote:Nightswimming is a masterpiece.

ItsOkay wrote:If Nightswimming is a masterpiece then Just Breathe is the Mona Lisa.