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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 1:35 pm
by Biff Pocoroba
Several conservative types are already taking the "still no proof of collusion of the campaign with Russia but if there was that doesn't mean it was illegal" spin.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 3:06 pm
by bune
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.3317263
The Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr. during his father's presidential bid last summer said members of the campaign were looking for dirt on the Clintons.

"It's quite possible that maybe they were longing for such information," lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya told NBC News Tuesday. "They wanted it so badly."

Her account is the latest twist surrounding her June 9, 2016, meeting with the younger Trump, Jared Kushner and then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 3:40 pm
by Strat
lol. Opposition research

https://www.facebook.com/newsandguts/ph ... =3&theater


Donald Trump Jr. releases the email exchange that led up to his meeting with a Russian attorney. He also released a new statement to go along with it.

This part of the email seems pretty cut and dry. Trump Jr. was asked if he could speak with someone who had damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

"...in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father."

The latest statement from the President's son though, in part, reads: "The information they suggested they had about Hillary Clinton I thought was Opposition Research. I first wanted to just have a phone call but when they that didn't work out, they said the woman would be in New York and asked if I would meet. I decided to take the meeting."
Opposition research or treason? You be the judge.

Attached is part of the email exchange and Trump Jr.'s statement.



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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 3:43 pm
by McParadigm
But his emails!

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 3:43 pm
by Norah
"...but it's part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump..."

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 3:43 pm
by McParadigm
It's worth including that he only released them because he learned the Times had them.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 7:20 pm
by Anders

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 7:47 pm
by BurtReynolds
Oh man! Trump's going down for sure this time!

Lol

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 9:07 pm
by Bi_3
BurtReynolds wrote:Oh man! Trump's going down for sure this time!

Lol

This is the first evidence of any merit that they knowingly took info, but it will probably amount to nothing. The Russia card has been overplayed to the whole country's detriment.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 9:25 pm
by pnjguy
Bi_3 wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Oh man! Trump's going down for sure this time!

Lol

This is the first evidence of any merit that they knowingly took info, but it will probably amount to nothing. The Russia card has been overplayed to the whole country's detriment.
With the help of an incompetent white house. Kindly put.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 10:07 pm
by Orpheus
Bi_3 wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Oh man! Trump's going down for sure this time!

Lol

This is the first evidence of any merit that they knowingly took info, but it will probably amount to nothing. The Russia card has been overplayed to the whole country's detriment.
It still baffles me that people think this isn't a big deal.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue July 11, 2017 10:29 pm
by Bi_3
Orpheus wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Oh man! Trump's going down for sure this time!

Lol

This is the first evidence of any merit that they knowingly took info, but it will probably amount to nothing. The Russia card has been overplayed to the whole country's detriment.
It still baffles me that people think this isn't a big deal.
It would have been, but Russia accusations have been normalized to be bullshit (see nearly all of the last 200 pages of this thread). This is going to have to lead to something seriously illegal to amount to any significant change in the opinion of the public at large, and I don't see that from that email, but had this come out last year.. I don't think we would be in this bad place as a nation.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed July 12, 2017 12:19 am
by B
White House Denies Any Ties to United States

In a fiercely defiant statement on Tuesday, the White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, denied that any member of the White House staff has ever worked "in any way, shape, or form" for the benefit of the United States.

Angrily addressing the press corps, Spicer said that any allegations that members of the Trump Administration have ever acted in concert or collusion with the United States are "unequivocally false."

"At no time during the transition or afterward did any member of the Trump team have meetings, conversations, or any other contacts that furthered the interests of the United States of America," Spicer said. "In the thousands of communications that took place, the United States never came up even once."

Drawing a stark contrast with the Administration of former President Barack Obama, Spicer said that many members of Obama’s staff were “clearly and flagrantly working for the United States government at all times.”
“President Trump has put an end to that,” he said.

In closing, Spicer said that the recent effort to pass the Republican health-care bill should silence “once and for all” those trying to link the Trump Administration to the United States government. "If you look at the interaction between the White House and congressional Republicans, there is absolutely no evidence of coördination,” he said.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed July 12, 2017 12:21 am
by BurtReynolds
Bi_3 wrote:
Orpheus wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Oh man! Trump's going down for sure this time!

Lol

This is the first evidence of any merit that they knowingly took info, but it will probably amount to nothing. The Russia card has been overplayed to the whole country's detriment.
It still baffles me that people think this isn't a big deal.
It would have been, but Russia accusations have been normalized to be bullshit (see nearly all of the last 200 pages of this thread). This is going to have to lead to something seriously illegal to amount to any significant change in the opinion of the public at large, and I don't see that from that email, but had this come out last year.. I don't think we would be in this bad place as a nation.
I'm reminded of the story of the boy who cried "anonymous sources report..."

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed July 12, 2017 12:24 am
by Strat
Keith Olbermann‏Verified account @KeithOlbermann Jul 10
Hmm...Trump's very 1ST tweet about HRC's "missing 33,000 emails" appears to be from 6/9/16, after Manafort, Kushner, Don Jr met the Russian

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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed July 12, 2017 1:20 am
by wease
B wrote:
White House Denies Any Ties to United States

In a fiercely defiant statement on Tuesday, the White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, denied that any member of the White House staff has ever worked "in any way, shape, or form" for the benefit of the United States.

Angrily addressing the press corps, Spicer said that any allegations that members of the Trump Administration have ever acted in concert or collusion with the United States are "unequivocally false."

"At no time during the transition or afterward did any member of the Trump team have meetings, conversations, or any other contacts that furthered the interests of the United States of America," Spicer said. "In the thousands of communications that took place, the United States never came up even once."

Drawing a stark contrast with the Administration of former President Barack Obama, Spicer said that many members of Obama’s staff were “clearly and flagrantly working for the United States government at all times.”
“President Trump has put an end to that,” he said.

In closing, Spicer said that the recent effort to pass the Republican health-care bill should silence “once and for all” those trying to link the Trump Administration to the United States government. "If you look at the interaction between the White House and congressional Republicans, there is absolutely no evidence of coördination,” he said.
It's funny because it's true.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed July 12, 2017 2:23 am
by digster
Orpheus wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Oh man! Trump's going down for sure this time!

Lol

This is the first evidence of any merit that they knowingly took info, but it will probably amount to nothing. The Russia card has been overplayed to the whole country's detriment.
It still baffles me that people think this isn't a big deal.
Tribalism; if it helps "your side," everything's in bounds. And I'm not really sure there's anyway that goes back in the bottle, and Trump is nothing if not an accelerant to that kind of atmosphere.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed July 12, 2017 2:27 am
by bart
We need to come up with a rule about mixing metaphors.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed July 12, 2017 12:23 pm
by Peeps
bart wrote:We need to come up with a rule about mixing metaphors.

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go ahead i got some sik skillz

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed July 12, 2017 2:45 pm
by bune
B wrote:
White House Denies Any Ties to United States

In a fiercely defiant statement on Tuesday, the White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, denied that any member of the White House staff has ever worked "in any way, shape, or form" for the benefit of the United States.

Angrily addressing the press corps, Spicer said that any allegations that members of the Trump Administration have ever acted in concert or collusion with the United States are "unequivocally false."

"At no time during the transition or afterward did any member of the Trump team have meetings, conversations, or any other contacts that furthered the interests of the United States of America," Spicer said. "In the thousands of communications that took place, the United States never came up even once."

Drawing a stark contrast with the Administration of former President Barack Obama, Spicer said that many members of Obama’s staff were “clearly and flagrantly working for the United States government at all times.”
“President Trump has put an end to that,” he said.

In closing, Spicer said that the recent effort to pass the Republican health-care bill should silence “once and for all” those trying to link the Trump Administration to the United States government. "If you look at the interaction between the White House and congressional Republicans, there is absolutely no evidence of coördination,” he said.
This is a bad thing? Jesus, we're not going to have a government soon.