Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 8:04 pm
by 4/5
Indeed. He prefers to focus on addressing current problems ravaging the black community like mass incarceration, housing, education, healthcare, and crime.
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 8:33 pm
by tree_
Here are some ideas proposed by John McWhorter:
End the war on drugs. Make sure that all poor women have long acting reproductive contraception available to them at no or little charge. Make sure that any child below a certain income level is taught to read via phonics, rather than via the whole word method. I know that sounds wonky. That is huge. But, because it's kind of undramatic and doesn't have the air of anti-racism about it, nobody wants to talk about it. Then, cherish and support vocational training. Get rid of the idea that to be a human being you have to go to 4 years of school where you pretend to enjoy Shakespeare. Very important. I know so many young black men who are electricians or repairmen making more money than I made until rather late in my life. That should be taught now. If you did just those 4 things, we would be in a new world.
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 8:59 pm
by Rob
Bi_3 wrote:
Rob wrote:
Bi_3 wrote: Cops are not going out there to kill black citizens or anyone. It's extremely rare, but highly sensationalized, so it gives the impression of being a systemic issue. Again, according to the DOJ, in 2015 there were 53,000,000 police contacts and 1,000 deaths. Cops are not a death threat to anyone.
These stats are distinct from the historical use of police violence to control black citizens and the resulting culture of distrust in the police and law enforcement institutions. That is very real and still exists in many places today in the form biased policing and brutality... but the idea that cops are out there murdering black people (or really, anyone) is anecdotal and not backed up by reality.
How do we make sure that this bias & brutality is dealt with if we don't make it known as loudly & clearly as possible? Are we gonna post facts on community forums and stand silently off the side of the road and hold signs up? I don't think that plan will work. It's not sensationalism to the people today who live it. It's about time.
I don't know, but I would start with these two:
1.) Reparations. The average difference in lifetime earnings between white and black people is around $100K, so give each non-immigrant citizen who identifies as black a $10k/year tax credit for ten years in a row. This would make it far more affordable than a multi-trillion chunk at once. For those who aren't old enough to file, the credit starts after their first filing. Have a eligibility cut-off of 12 months after the law passes to cover pregnant women.
2.) Trigger warning: Gentrification. Lead (Pb) is still a major problem for black communities and it's effects are easily measurable. The government should set a goal of the country being lead-free by 2040 through rebuilding and renovating existing residential structures and incentive new businesses to move in.
These are ideas worth exploring, for sure. I'm just not sure how we get from where we are now, to a world where real policies are put in place and have time to mend things without people demanding them. And by demanding them, I mean out on the streets actually demanding them. There's plenty of takes out there explaining how these protests are going too far and may be hurting their cause, but their cause is police brutality/reform and all of a sudden local/state governments are taking it seriously and open to change.
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 9:59 pm
by BurtReynolds
It's interesting to compare Western and Asian attitudes on this stuff. I wonder which wins out in the long run, though it's hard to argue who's power is ascendant.
And reparations won't solve anything.
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 10:15 pm
by tree_
Can you please save me some time and sum up the Asian attitude?
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 10:53 pm
by wease
BurtReynolds wrote:It's interesting to compare Western and Asian attitudes on this stuff. I wonder which wins out in the long run, though it's hard to argue who's power is ascendant.
And reparations won't solve anything.
*whose
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 11:12 pm
by Bi_3
wease wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:It's interesting to compare Western and Asian attitudes on this stuff. I wonder which wins out in the long run, though it's hard to argue who's power is ascendant.
And reparations won't solve anything.
*whose
Hu's
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 11:15 pm
by Mickey
Burt is correct that reparations will not solve inequality but I suspect his reasons for thinking this are wrong.
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 11:17 pm
by Peeps
Bi_3 wrote:
wease wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:It's interesting to compare Western and Asian attitudes on this stuff. I wonder which wins out in the long run, though it's hard to argue who's power is ascendant.
And reparations won't solve anything.
*whose
Hu's
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 11:17 pm
by Bi_3
Mickey wrote:Burt is correct that reparations will not solve inequality but I suspect his reasons for thinking this are wrong.
As you well know, they are not intended to.
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 11:19 pm
by Mickey
Bi_3 wrote:
Mickey wrote:Burt is correct that reparations will not solve inequality but I suspect his reasons for thinking this are wrong.
As you well know, they are not intended to.
Yes I do think we agree on this.
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Wed June 17, 2020 11:20 pm
by BurtReynolds
Mickey wrote:Burt is correct that reparations will not solve inequality but I suspect his reasons for thinking this are wrong.
Because all that money just gets filtered back into the hands of elite capitalist bankers? The descendants of slaves just hold onto it for a month or two.
Not to mention many other problems.
That's why I'm a black nationalist.
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Thu June 18, 2020 12:52 am
by verb_to_trust
Be honest, none of you guys knew what the fuck Juneteenth was until like a week ago.
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Thu June 18, 2020 12:53 am
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Thu June 18, 2020 12:57 am
by doug rr
tragabigzanda wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Be honest, none of you guys knew what the fuck Juneteenth was until like a week ago.
I'll cop to it.
really?
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Thu June 18, 2020 12:58 am
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Thu June 18, 2020 1:07 am
by Jorge
you'll COP to it
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Thu June 18, 2020 1:13 am
by Peeps
I knew it from watchmen
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Thu June 18, 2020 1:25 am
by ghost
I thought it had something to do with James Joyce.
Re: tree_Maybe Wants to Talk About Systematic Racism in the
Posted: Thu June 18, 2020 1:29 am
by The Argonaut
My apologies if this has been addressed and is just a goofy little joke at this point (I admit that I am not reading this thread) but why is it called systematic racism in the thread title? The word that's typically used is systemic