Red Mosquito

spoiler alert

I bet they "blow the roof off of that dump".

Release_Me wrote:For the last time, Sirens isn't a difficult vocal for Ed at all. It's all in his comfort zone. There really is no 'high' part in the song. It's all in his comfort zone and even the highest parts are upper fourth octave, just belted out. He just couldn't belt in this performance. His voice was shot and it has nothing to do with the song's difficulty. It's probably the easiest song for him to sing from tracks 1-8 on the new album. If he struggles with Sirens, he'll struggle with just about everything.

The youtube performances of Sirens from the tour have all been ok if not perfect. Minor issues which happen in a live setting. This one shows him clearly struggling. Could have been sick. Could have been tour fatigue. A bad night happens once in a while.

I did a cover of Sirens - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB2hCHuFXzA ...I mention that just so you know I have tried the song.

Although I respect your input here on singing (I've read a lot of it), I don't agree at all about this song (in terms of difficulty). This is a very hard song to sing. It's very intimate and anything that throws one's voice off can completely F it up. Also, there are high parts in the true chorus (I study your face). The difficult part of this song is the variance from verse to pre-chorus to chorus.

This wasn't a good version, unfortunately. But, I think it had to do with the tour and wear on his voice.

13inlet wrote:I did a cover of Sirens - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB2hCHuFXzA ...I mention that just so you know I have tried the song.

That sounds nice man.

Thejambi wrote:It has not passed the masturbation test. Shame.

did you try masturbating in the car?

stip wrote:

Thejambi wrote:It has not passed the masturbation test. Shame.

did you try masturbating in the car?

It takes the car 15 minutes to warm up and i only have a 5 minute drive, what do YOU think?

Thejambi wrote:

stip wrote:

Thejambi wrote:It has not passed the masturbation test. Shame.

did you try masturbating in the car?

It takes the car 15 minutes to warm up and i only have a 5 minute drive, what do YOU think?

I think yes.

McParadigm wrote:

Thejambi wrote:

stip wrote:

Thejambi wrote:It has not passed the masturbation test. Shame.

did you try masturbating in the car?

It takes the car 15 minutes to warm up and i only have a 5 minute drive, what do YOU think?

I think yes.

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That was pretty awful.

I liked it, i dont see those problems at all, maybe because Sirens seems to really capture me, as Black does.
I loved the ending.

Looking forward to LB today.

I watched it again, thinking it couldn't have been as bad as I initially thought.

My face is tired from wincing.

I'm a Chris Cornell fan I've seen worse.

McParadigm wrote:I watched it again, thinking it couldn't have been as bad as I initially thought.

My face is tired from wincing.

Try some lube next time m8.

I didn't used to need lube to listen to these guys

The vocal wasn't the worst I've ever heard from Pearl Jam, or even Chris Cornell. They both have their bad nights. Unfortunately this one happened to be on TV. But I'm pretty sure people who don't like the song anyway are having the most extreme reaction to this vocal, which is natural and OK.

Release_Me wrote:I highly doubt it. Sirens just isn't that difficult a song for Ed. The higher parts are right in his sweet spot, just before things start to get tough for him as far as belting from the chest is concerned. Infallible is the sort of song where he could be uncomfortable live. Though he hasn't been in all the tour videos I've seen so far. He does skip the high part before the solo but then belts it fine after.

Sirens on Fallon is more a case of him struggling with his voice than the song itself.

He often struggles with it live, even if not to this extent. I'm not sure how you're not hearing that but oh well.

13inlet wrote:

Release_Me wrote:For the last time, Sirens isn't a difficult vocal for Ed at all. It's all in his comfort zone. There really is no 'high' part in the song. It's all in his comfort zone and even the highest parts are upper fourth octave, just belted out. He just couldn't belt in this performance. His voice was shot and it has nothing to do with the song's difficulty. It's probably the easiest song for him to sing from tracks 1-8 on the new album. If he struggles with Sirens, he'll struggle with just about everything.

The youtube performances of Sirens from the tour have all been ok if not perfect. Minor issues which happen in a live setting. This one shows him clearly struggling. Could have been sick. Could have been tour fatigue. A bad night happens once in a while.

I did a cover of Sirens - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB2hCHuFXzA ...I mention that just so you know I have tried the song.

Although I respect your input here on singing (I've read a lot of it), I don't agree at all about this song (in terms of difficulty). This is a very hard song to sing. It's very intimate and anything that throws one's voice off can completely F it up. Also, there are high parts in the true chorus (I study your face). The difficult part of this song is the variance from verse to pre-chorus to chorus.

This wasn't a good version, unfortunately. But, I think it had to do with the tour and wear on his voice.

First off, decent job. When I said it wasn't difficult, I meant it wasn't difficult for Ed who is a professional vocalist. I didn't mean it wouldn't be difficult for you or me. Ed is someone who can hold notes for freakin' forever when he wants to. The most difficult aspect about Sirens is that it has parts with a lot of words to sing in one breath and the way he belts it out with power is impressive. However, compared to some of the other tracks on LB, it isn't that difficult. He's singing in a range where he has the most power naturally. The highest parts which are belted are not as high as Infallible or In Hiding for example. The other highs you talk about are falsetto, which isn't hard on the chords. The transition to falsetto requires a degree of control which any professional singer should have. In the Fallon performance, Ed's struggling with the simple notes. He sounds rough when this song is one which requires 'smoothness'. His voice sounds shot. He can't sing the verses properly, what to talk of belting out the chorus/pre-chorus. Funnily enough, the falsetto transitions were fine because they aren't that demanding. I put this down to either being sick or just fatigued from the tour, not the difficulty level of the song.

harmless wrote:

Release_Me wrote:I highly doubt it. Sirens just isn't that difficult a song for Ed. The higher parts are right in his sweet spot, just before things start to get tough for him as far as belting from the chest is concerned. Infallible is the sort of song where he could be uncomfortable live. Though he hasn't been in all the tour videos I've seen so far. He does skip the high part before the solo but then belts it fine after.

Sirens on Fallon is more a case of him struggling with his voice than the song itself.

He often struggles with it live, even if not to this extent. I'm not sure how you're not hearing that but oh well.

Yeah, I don't. Minor flubs as there are in most songs they do live but nothing which would show him struggling with the song. He gets lazy and doesn't hold notes sometimes on so many songs. He doesn't do that on Sirens in general. Being pitchy on one or two notes doesn't really constitute him struggling for me. Not perfect, yes. Fallon was bad.

I think the point (or at least what I was trying to say) is that there are other things about a vocal melody that can make it hard to sing for a person besides the range traveled within a song. I'm not sure Sirens is an 'easy' song for him to sing simply because he's not scraping the heights of his upper register.