Red Mosquito

They were so good in 2000, my gosh.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i could have bought some of those 03 boots too, they were available in most of records store at the time, specially the Australian leg, and i think Japan too.
At the time, i wasnt a fan of the 03 tour ( its still the tour i listened the less) but damn, i should have got those.

I don't remember them being available in record stores at all. I had to order them online.

The 2000 shows certainly were.

A few 2003 shows were definitely released to retail outlets but the packaging was different.

That's why they are so scarce.

Yea I think only a hand picked few made it to stores. It was a bit too much to stock when they released 70+ albums in 2000, haha.

2003 was the tour when you could buy the day of the show (?), get digital link and then they shipped the album. I have this whole tour. Once a week I would buy whatever shows they played that week. Was really fun to follow along. Saw 5-6 shows that tour, between Bos-NYC, plus Long Island.

SoulEngine wrote:They were so good in 2000, my gosh.

After that they fell off a cliff when Matt switched from Ayotte to Yamaha, I tell ya...

Rob wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i could have bought some of those 03 boots too, they were available in most of records store at the time, specially the Australian leg, and i think Japan too.
At the time, i wasnt a fan of the 03 tour ( its still the tour i listened the less) but damn, i should have got those.

I don't remember them being available in record stores at all. I had to order them online.

The 2000 shows certainly were.

A few 2003 shows were definitely released to retail outlets but the packaging was different.

That's why they are so scarce.

Yea I think only a hand picked few made it to stores. It was a bit too much to stock when they released 70+ albums in 2000, haha.

2003 was the tour when you could buy the day of the show (?), get digital link and then they shipped the album. I have this whole tour. Once a week I would buy whatever shows they played that week. Was really fun to follow along. Saw 5-6 shows that tour, between Bos-NYC, plus Long Island.

I thought 2006 was the year with the digital link.

I also hit up the 2003 tour a lot. 6 shows that year: Albany, Noblesville, NYC x 2, Boston 3, and Hershey.

liebzz wrote:

Rob wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i could have bought some of those 03 boots too, they were available in most of records store at the time, specially the Australian leg, and i think Japan too.
At the time, i wasnt a fan of the 03 tour ( its still the tour i listened the less) but damn, i should have got those.

I don't remember them being available in record stores at all. I had to order them online.

The 2000 shows certainly were.

A few 2003 shows were definitely released to retail outlets but the packaging was different.

That's why they are so scarce.

Yea I think only a hand picked few made it to stores. It was a bit too much to stock when they released 70+ albums in 2000, haha.

2003 was the tour when you could buy the day of the show (?), get digital link and then they shipped the album. I have this whole tour. Once a week I would buy whatever shows they played that week. Was really fun to follow along. Saw 5-6 shows that tour, between Bos-NYC, plus Long Island.

I thought 2006 was the year with the digital link.

I also hit up the 2003 tour a lot. 6 shows that year: Albany, Noblesville, NYC x 2, Boston 3, and Hershey.

No, he's right: 2003 they sold the physical bootlegs to each show but sent out a (low bitrate, I think) MP3 link of the show pretty soon afterward.

2006 was digital only (FLAC or MP3), no physical bootlegs.

spenno is right. Those low bit-rate MP3s were the first shows I every torrented.

The 2000 tour was the only one sold in stores.

The 2003 tour was sold only on the Ten Club website and came with a shitty digital download.

While the show was happening, they sent people out to put flyers on everyone's vehicle advertising the bootleg CD and download of that night's performance.

They came in the usual cardboard thing but it was generic and the tracklisting was on a sticker that you stuck to the case if you were an idiot like me.

A few shows deemed "best" from each leg were available in stores and pretty much looked the same but they had the tracklisting printed directly on the case.

The 2005 tour was the first one where they didn't have physical discs. And they still fucking don't.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The 2000 tour was the only one sold in stores.

The 2003 tour was sold only on the Ten Club website...

This isn’t true at all. I bought a handful of ‘03 shows from my local WalMart back in the day.

wease wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The 2000 tour was the only one sold in stores.

The 2003 tour was sold only on the Ten Club website...

This isn’t true at all. I bought a handful of ‘03 shows from my local WalMart back in the day.

That’s just how 10C members flipped shit before ebay. Some Walmart workers in your town was a member

wease wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The 2000 tour was the only one sold in stores.

The 2003 tour was sold only on the Ten Club website...

This isn’t true at all. I bought a handful of ‘03 shows from my local WalMart back in the day.

It says this somewhere upthread, but a few 2003 shows were released to retail in slightly different packaging than those sold by the 10C:

Perth
Tokyo
State College
NYC I
NYC II
Boston III
Mexico City I

Birds in Hell wrote:

wease wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The 2000 tour was the only one sold in stores.

The 2003 tour was sold only on the Ten Club website...

This isn’t true at all. I bought a handful of ‘03 shows from my local WalMart back in the day.

It says this somewhere upthread, but a few 2003 shows were released to retail in slightly different packaging than those sold by the 10C:

Perth
Tokyo
State College
NYC I
NYC II
Boston III
Mexico City I

I more or less say this in the post he is disputing.

Was Mexico City a commercial release? I remember the rest, but not that one.

Kevin Davis wrote:Was Mexico City a commercial release? I remember the rest, but not that one.

No, Mx wasnt a commercial release.

VinylGuy wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:Was Mexico City a commercial release? I remember the rest, but not that one.

No, Mx wasnt a commercial release.

Yes it was, but it was only available in Mexico.

https://www.discogs.com/Pearl-Jam-Mexic ... e/11433398

There were definitely copies of the Mexico show available in retail stores over here too, unless I'm going crazy.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

wease wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The 2000 tour was the only one sold in stores.

The 2003 tour was sold only on the Ten Club website...

This isn’t true at all. I bought a handful of ‘03 shows from my local WalMart back in the day.

It says this somewhere upthread, but a few 2003 shows were released to retail in slightly different packaging than those sold by the 10C:

Perth
Tokyo
State College
NYC I
NYC II
Boston III
Mexico City I

I more or less say this in the post he is disputing.

No you don’t! You specifically say only the 2000 shows were sold at the retail level and 2003 was only sold online.

wease wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

wease wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The 2000 tour was the only one sold in stores.

The 2003 tour was sold only on the Ten Club website...

This isn’t true at all. I bought a handful of ‘03 shows from my local WalMart back in the day.

It says this somewhere upthread, but a few 2003 shows were released to retail in slightly different packaging than those sold by the 10C:

Perth
Tokyo
State College
NYC I
NYC II
Boston III
Mexico City I

I more or less say this in the post he is disputing.

No you don’t! You specifically say only the 2000 shows were sold at the retail level and 2003 was only sold online.

Dude:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The 2000 tour was the only one sold in stores.

The 2003 tour was sold only on the Ten Club website and came with a shitty digital download.

While the show was happening, they sent people out to put flyers on everyone's vehicle advertising the bootleg CD and download of that night's performance.

They came in the usual cardboard thing but it was generic and the tracklisting was on a sticker that you stuck to the case if you were an idiot like me.

A few shows deemed "best" from each leg were available in stores and pretty much looked the same but they had the tracklisting printed directly on the case.

The 2005 tour was the first one where they didn't have physical discs. And they still fucking don't.

Kevin Davis wrote:

wease wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

wease wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The 2000 tour was the only one sold in stores.

The 2003 tour was sold only on the Ten Club website...

This isn’t true at all. I bought a handful of ‘03 shows from my local WalMart back in the day.

It says this somewhere upthread, but a few 2003 shows were released to retail in slightly different packaging than those sold by the 10C:

Perth
Tokyo
State College
NYC I
NYC II
Boston III
Mexico City I

I more or less say this in the post he is disputing.

No you don’t! You specifically say only the 2000 shows were sold at the retail level and 2003 was only sold online.

Dude:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The 2000 tour was the only one sold in stores.

The 2003 tour was sold only on the Ten Club website and came with a shitty digital download.

While the show was happening, they sent people out to put flyers on everyone's vehicle advertising the bootleg CD and download of that night's performance.

They came in the usual cardboard thing but it was generic and the tracklisting was on a sticker that you stuck to the case if you were an idiot like me.

A few shows deemed "best" from each leg were available in stores and pretty much looked the same but they had the tracklisting printed directly on the case.

The 2005 tour was the first one where they didn't have physical discs. And they still fucking don't.

Dammit Kevin Davis

Looking at Discogs....

North America got all the "retail picks" that Spenno listed, except Mexico City 1, which only Mexico got (in addition to Tokyo and Perth, but none of the North American shows!).

Japan only got Tokyo.

It looks like Australia only got about half of the retail picks. Any of the rest would have been European or US (or Mexican) imports, unless they haven't been listed on Discogs yet.

But this does jive with my 18 year-old memories of what happened at the time. I remember people were pissed off that Mexico City 1 was a Mexico-only release.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:I remember people were pissed off that Mexico City 1 was a Mexico-only release.

Funny to think that as recently as 2003-04, it was an annoyance for a CD that was easily available online not to be available in a retail store. I remember feeling like that for a few years, where I'd go to like 6 different record stores in town looking for something, and then finally give up and say, "Ugh, I guess I'll just order it online."