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Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 4:28 pm
by McParadigm
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
ridleybradout wrote:Life Wasted is by far my least favourite album opener.
Mine too. Horrible, horrible song.
It's pretty mediocre, but it has energy, interplay, and one or two solid lyrics. All of these things are lacking in Getaway, which is easily the winner of that contest.

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 4:32 pm
by Norah
Birds in Hell wrote:I think the production definitely shaped people's attitudes towards this record, even if on a subconscious level.
This is true for every record.

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 5:28 pm
by PHATJ
Last Exit
Brain of J.
Go


Breakerfall
Can't Keep
Once
Sometimes

Getaway
Life Wasted







Gonna See My Friend

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 5:55 pm
by epilogue
stip wrote:It's high time more people on RM moved onto a more sophisticated ranking system where you not only rank, but include tiers. Otherwise how does anyone know how much distance is between 1 and 10? We might as well not even bother ranking at all!
He' go:

Last Exit
Go
------
Can't Keep
Brain of J
------
Sometimes
-------
-------
Once
Breakerfall
-------
Getaway
Gonna See My Friend
Life Wasted

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 6:18 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Umm, this is the avocado thread

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 6:22 pm
by epilogue
Image

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 6:43 pm
by LoathedVermin72
That's much better than the real art

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 8:49 pm
by epilogue
It is. And it's the artwork I use on my iPod for the remix. Honestly, this album is so much better remixed with that artwork.

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 9:41 pm
by stip
durdencommatyler wrote:
stip wrote:It's high time more people on RM moved onto a more sophisticated ranking system where you not only rank, but include tiers. Otherwise how does anyone know how much distance is between 1 and 10? We might as well not even bother ranking at all!
How do you suggest representing the tiers? And how do we know how much distance there is between each tier? How should those gaps be represented?
We should field test different possibilities

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 9:43 pm
by epilogue
stip wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
stip wrote:It's high time more people on RM moved onto a more sophisticated ranking system where you not only rank, but include tiers. Otherwise how does anyone know how much distance is between 1 and 10? We might as well not even bother ranking at all!
How do you suggest representing the tiers? And how do we know how much distance there is between each tier? How should those gaps be represented?
We should field test different possibilities
I'll help. This is super important.

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 9:43 pm
by epilogue
What did you think of my ranking that had (----) between each tier?

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 9:46 pm
by stip
I think dashes between spaces may make for clearer delineations. Perhaps a brief description of what each tier means

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 9:48 pm
by epilogue
stip wrote:I think dashes between spaces may make for clearer delineations. Perhaps a brief description of what each tier means
Like (for example)

Top Tier/ Great/ 5 Stars

-------

Middle Tier/ Good/ 3-4 Stars

-------

Bottom Tier/ Bad/ 2 or less Stars

You mean like that?

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 10:31 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
My +1, 0, -1 is clearly the best way

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sat July 25, 2015 10:34 pm
by epilogue
E.H. Ruddock wrote:My +1, 0, -1 is clearly the best way
So rank the albums your way.

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Sun July 26, 2015 12:16 am
by stip
durdencommatyler wrote:
stip wrote:I think dashes between spaces may make for clearer delineations. Perhaps a brief description of what each tier means
Like (for example)

Top Tier/ Great/ 5 Stars

-------

Middle Tier/ Good/ 3-4 Stars

-------

Bottom Tier/ Bad/ 2 or less Stars

You mean like that?

We need a larger N, but I think that has potential

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Mon July 27, 2015 2:34 pm
by hlniv
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
ridleybradout wrote:Life Wasted is by far my least favourite album opener.
Mine too. Horrible, horrible song.
I agree with every word here.

Except for that damn "u" in the word "favorite" :peace:

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Mon July 27, 2015 2:39 pm
by hlniv
Openers (with tiers)

Top Shelf/5 stars
1. Last Exit
2. Go

Good Tunes
3. Breakerfall
4. Brain of J
5. Sometimes
6. Can't Keep

Eh
7. Once
8. Gonna See My Friend

Shit
9. Life Wasted
10. Getaway

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Mon July 27, 2015 2:43 pm
by hlniv
So, I really need to listen to this remix. Can't believe I haven't yet. Too much life in the way lately.

I've said many times that this album is a pretty good collection of tunes, just held back by the crap way it sounds with close listening. It's a decent listen in the car or whilst grilling burgers, but focused listening becomes distracting and unenjoyable. Sounds like this latest effort may have fixed that...

Re: Let's Actually Listen to the Album: Pearl Jam

Posted: Mon July 27, 2015 4:07 pm
by EJ
Listening to this now. Can someone explain what these Peak/RMS measurements mean in lay terms?

Original version:
DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR6 0.00 dB -6.53 dB 3:54 01-Life Wasted
DR6 0.00 dB -6.79 dB 3:29 02-World Wide Suicide
DR5 0.00 dB -5.44 dB 2:20 03-Comatose
DR6 0.00 dB -7.39 dB 4:30 04-Severed Hand
DR6 0.00 dB -6.50 dB 4:23 05-Marker In The Sand
DR6 0.00 dB -7.60 dB 3:36 06-Parachutes
DR6 0.00 dB -7.47 dB 3:04 07-Unemployable
DR5 0.00 dB -6.16 dB 2:58 08-Big Wave
DR6 0.00 dB -7.85 dB 4:09 09-Gone
DR11 -0.15 dB -14.36 dB 0:54 10-Wasted Reprise
DR6 0.00 dB -7.03 dB 3:45 11-Army Reserve
DR6 0.00 dB -6.92 dB 5:30 12-Come Back
DR6 0.00 dB -9.61 dB 7:09 13-Inside Job

Remastered version:
DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR13 -0.18 dB -14.23 dB 3:54 01-Life Wasted
DR13 -0.09 dB -14.06 dB 3:29 02-World Wide Suicide
DR12 -0.18 dB -13.26 dB 2:20 03-Comatose
DR13 -0.23 dB -14.70 dB 4:30 04-Severed Hand
DR13 -0.18 dB -14.37 dB 4:23 05-Marker In The Sand
DR14 -0.20 dB -15.21 dB 3:36 06-Parachutes
DR14 -0.19 dB -15.10 dB 3:04 07-Unemployable
DR13 -0.37 dB -14.16 dB 2:58 08-Big Wave
DR13 -0.38 dB -15.92 dB 4:09 09-Gone
DR11 -9.15 dB -23.36 dB 0:54 10-Wasted Reprise
DR13 -0.12 dB -14.04 dB 3:45 11-Army Reserve
DR13 -0.35 dB -14.83 dB 5:30 12-Come Back
DR13 -0.20 dB -17.09 dB 6:36 13-Inside Job