Oscars

LoathedVermin72 · Post by **LoathedVermin72** » Thu January 30, 2020 7:30 pm

I’m not sure those themes are mutually exclusive from white male rage. I think that’s how a lot of those types would likely be characterized.

bada · Post by **bada** » Thu January 30, 2020 7:34 pm

I guess my feeling is if Joker was played by someone from another ethnicity or gender it would have been the same movie. His whiteness wasn't important to the story.

LoathedVermin72 · Post by **LoathedVermin72** » Thu January 30, 2020 7:36 pm

bada wrote:I guess my feeling is if Joker was played by someone from another ethnicity or gender it would have been the same movie. His whiteness wasn't important to the story.

Sure, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to extrapolate from the movie to the cultural climate it was made within and many events and outlooks it parallels.

bada · Post by **bada** » Thu January 30, 2020 7:44 pm

LoathedVermin72 wrote:
bada wrote:I guess my feeling is if Joker was played by someone from another ethnicity or gender it would have been the same movie. His whiteness wasn't important to the story.
Sure, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to extrapolate from the movie to the cultural climate it was made within and many events and outlooks it parallels.

Yeah you could read anything into anything and I guess if I think about it the background characters in the movie inspired by the Joker could be operating on that level even if the man himself wasn't.

tragabigzanda · Post by **tragabigzanda** » Thu January 30, 2020 9:00 pm

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

LoathedVermin72 · Post by **LoathedVermin72** » Thu January 30, 2020 9:12 pm

tragabigzanda wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
bada wrote:I guess my feeling is if Joker was played by someone from another ethnicity or gender it would have been the same movie. His whiteness wasn't important to the story.
Sure, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to extrapolate from the movie to the cultural climate it was made within and many events and outlooks it parallels.
Wouldn't this apply to Once Upon A Time then?

It applies to every work of art. But people are obviously free to disagree about whether it’s there or not, generally by citing evidence from the art itself.

tragabigzanda · Post by **tragabigzanda** » Thu January 30, 2020 9:13 pm

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

VinylGuy · Post by **VinylGuy** » Thu January 30, 2020 9:57 pm

White Male Rage!!!! Maybe a new hashtag is coming? #oscarsallsowhitemalerage?

jesus christ.

Farmer John · Post by **Farmer John** » Fri January 31, 2020 1:12 am

I just saw 1917 and I would be OK with it winning Best Picture. Once Upon and Time in Hollywood would be my pick though.

Haven't seen Parasite yet.

Post by **Jorge** » Fri January 31, 2020 1:18 am

I'm seeing 1917 tomorrow... we'll compare notes

Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Fri January 31, 2020 1:27 am

Joker definitely isn't subtle, but also had great acting and atmosphere and was generally a beautiful movie in terms of filmmaking, so I could forgive its one-notedness. The color palette alone was really gorgeous and made it worth watching IMO. I don't mind an unsubtle movie if it's done well, which I thought it was. And I found Phoenix just completely arresting.

Farmer John · Post by **Farmer John** » Fri January 31, 2020 1:28 am

theplatypus wrote:I'm seeing 1917 tomorrow... we'll compare notes

I thought it was great. I did often find myself thinking about the technical aspects of the "one continuous shot" thing, which took me out of it a bit. It was pretty impressive though.

VinylGuy · Post by **VinylGuy** » Fri January 31, 2020 1:44 am

Farmer John wrote:I just saw 1917 and I would be OK with it winning Best Picture. Once Upon and Time in Hollywood would be my pick though.

Haven't seen Parasite yet.

Going to see 1917 in an hour.

Post by **Jorge** » Fri January 31, 2020 1:58 am

VinylGuy wrote:
Farmer John wrote:I just saw 1917 and I would be OK with it winning Best Picture. Once Upon and Time in Hollywood would be my pick though.

Haven't seen Parasite yet.
Going to see 1917 in an hour.

2x speed on VLC player?

Post by **96583UP** » Fri January 31, 2020 2:04 am

i don't watch the oscars but naturally assumed when i clicked on the thread that there would be diversity / identify references

and lo and behold the first quote on the page is 'white male rage'

and now i will leave you to feast upon each other's limbs and entrails

VinylGuy · Post by **VinylGuy** » Fri January 31, 2020 4:58 am

theplatypus wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
Farmer John wrote:I just saw 1917 and I would be OK with it winning Best Picture. Once Upon and Time in Hollywood would be my pick though.

Haven't seen Parasite yet.
Going to see 1917 in an hour.
2x speed on VLC player?

Nope im in quito shooting a commercial. Just saw it; yeah i like it. Some glorious moments mixed with some obvious ones.

Best movie? Mm doubt it.

Dev · Post by **Dev** » Fri January 31, 2020 6:42 am

LoathedVermin72 wrote:
Dev wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:Current Best Picture ranking:

Masterpiece:
Once Upon a Time ...in Hollywood

Okay:
Marriage Story
The Irishman

Bad:
Joker
Parasite

Want to See:
Ford v Ferrari

No Interest:
Jojo Rabbit / Little Women / 1917
Parasite was good and Joker was a masterpiece.

unreal

Post by **epilogue** » Fri January 31, 2020 3:02 pm

LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:I guess to really care about the Villaseñor bit, you'd have to really care about the Oscars. *shrugs*
The bit wasn’t really about the Oscars (other than the Gerwig snub), it was about wildly misreading and overgeneralizing the movies in question to a degree that’s either genuinely deranged or deliberately obtuse in order to pander to anti-art liberals.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point but what makes that skit different than any other satirical skit on SNL? Quality or goodness/badness or success aside, I'm not sure I understand how this exaggeration was so different or so much more pandering than any other.

Post by **epilogue** » Fri January 31, 2020 3:05 pm

Masterpiece:
Parasite
Jojo Rabbit

Great:
Little Women

Okay:
Marriage Story
Joker

Bad:
Once Upon a Time ...in Hollywood

Want to See:
1917

No Interest:
The Irishman / Ford V Ferrari

VinylGuy · Post by **VinylGuy** » Fri January 31, 2020 3:10 pm

With the talent involved in both The Irishman and Ford v Ferrari, its surprising you dont have any kind of interest on both.

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