Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 1:12 am
Both FD and LB played randomly on my phone this morning. Neither have changed for me and both didn't get a full play. 
Quick someone say something optimistic
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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 1:16 am
I'm definitely hoping FD is as bad as this album gets. And LB doesn't seem like a song i'll want to go back to often...
Quick someone say something optimistic
Quick someone say something optimistic
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 1:20 am
Right on.harmless wrote:Agreed, yep. But that listening and reciprocation on stage is part of what makes a virtuoso musician, so that's a big part of what I meant. The reason jazz musicians are so great at improv is that their ears are fine-tuned to what the rest of the band is doing, so that if one of them is enjoying a part that, say, the pianist is playing, they can instantly get on and ride it. Because PJ are all about the big, singular bombasic effect now -- and not so interested in that interplay between the players -- I'm not so interested in their jams. It's like they assume that most of their fans will be happy if they just do any kind of waffling for as long as possible. And, well, there are plenty of fans that would take any kind of jam from them, no matter what it sounded like.Kevin Davis wrote:I think the jam had its in-bloom phase too--it's exactly the sort of thing the band was in the frame of mind to pull off during, say, the 2000 tour, a few moments of introverted catharsis where nothing mattered beyond the five guys onstage. But like itself the song has since 1995-6, the jam has been pretty lifeless since about 2003. It's really not about being virtuoso musicians, it's just about having the presence of mind to listen to what the other guys in the band are doing, and new-and-improved extroverted shout-it-from-the-rooftops Pearl Jam just aren't conditioned for the sort of patience and focus required for improvised music in general, let alone a passage like this that's about collective mood and texture rather than just a band supporting a soloist.dimejinky99 wrote:harmless wrote:Just to clarify: I love RVM (studio version), it's one of my favourite early PJ songs. But if I get it live and I check my watch during the 'jam' in the middle, it's because all of the tension has been sapped out of the song by the band's wankery, and then by the intro I'm not interested anymore. The studio version (and some earlier live versions I guess) had just enough tension and release. If these guys were virtuoso musicians and able to carry a ridiculously long jam session, it might be a different story, but they aren't, so it isn't.
Agreed. That jam can be nuclear winter in length sometimes.
Steals from the immediacy and intention of the song.
This band had so many interesting directions they could have moved in over the years, it's a shame they eventually just came to the point of resting on their laurels. I'm thinking in my mind what kind of album they would have made had they taken one of those 2000-era "RVM" jams (or something abstract like that) and built songs off of it, pursuing that avenue to its fullest potential and most logical end. I'm not talking about an album of experimental noise, necessarily--just laying a different groundwork for the songwriting process than, "Mike brings in a riff, Eddie writes some words, etc." I'd like to have heard that.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 1:21 am
That's not optimistic 
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 1:37 am
Sorry, computer died then had some meetings. I actually like ballads. When Backspacer came out I listened to Just Breathe...alot. Crown of Thorns, Release, Nothingman, Off He Goes and Sleight of Hand are in my Top Ten. (I know not all those are ballads exactly)harmless wrote:Same with Everybody Hurts. I'm guessing you're just not inclined towards ballads, because these are two of the best.
Maybe it was just the timing of listing to the on the long ride, or how overplayed Everybody Hurts was on VH1 growing up, but they didn't grip me. So, glad they have for others. Maybe I'll give them another try.
I love such quick and heated feedback!
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 1:45 am
Is that to me or verb_to_trust? Or both?Cleverman wrote:Based on some of your posts, I have to ask, are you a self-hatin' PJ fan?verb_to_trust wrote:Oh don't you worry, you'll get it.....and there is no way in the world it will have anything in the same universe as Nightswimming.ItsOkay wrote:Possibly...just give me a new Pearl Jam album!
If me, I'd say its because I would have been a Fan Pit force-myself-to-love everything fan. Since being here some it's like an outlet to unleash the pent up frustration that comes with some choices. So probably some of the pendulum swinging too far the other way.
Pearl Jam can hit me like no other band can, and they are unrivaled as my favorite.
And if its for verb_to_trust, who wouldn't be frustrated after a 4 year wait after an 36-minute album which was good initially but so far hasn't proven to be re-listenable as others, in many people's opinions.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 1:54 am
It was directed at me. I haven't liked a Pearl Jam song since Down. Although the two leaked songs were sort of neat.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 1:57 am
So does that mean post-Riot Act, or including Riot Act?verb_to_trust wrote:It was directed at me. I haven't liked a Pearl Jam song since Down. Although the two leaked songs were sort of neat.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:03 am
I literally never listen to BS and Avocado.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:05 am
So what's its going to take this album to win you back?verb_to_trust wrote:I literally never listen to BS and Avocado.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:06 am
Same. They only came out again very recently during my normal "listen through the whole catalogue in the lead up to the new album" phase. Both albums only got one spin, and that was enough.verb_to_trust wrote:I literally never listen to BS and Avocado.
Many of the other albums had many repeat spins, taking me back to the good ol' days.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:12 am
Oddly, ST and Yield are my most played recently.Sgt. Crackpot wrote:Same. They only came out again very recently during my normal "listen through the whole catalogue in the lead up to the new album" phase. Both albums only got one spin, and that was enough.verb_to_trust wrote:I literally never listen to BS and Avocado.
Many of the other albums had many repeat spins, taking me back to the good ol' days.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:15 am
Something is wrong with the site. It shows Sgt. Crackpot with a world record setting amount of posts for just over a month.Sgt. Crackpot wrote: Same. They only came out again very recently during my normal "listen through the whole catalogue in the lead up to the new album" phase. Both albums only got one spin, and that was enough.
Many of the other albums had many repeat spins, taking me back to the good ol' days.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:18 am
ItsOkay wrote:So what's its going to take this album to win you back?verb_to_trust wrote:I literally never listen to BS and Avocado.
Its not going to.
I mean, I could type up a perfect world scenario but we've already heard 25 percent of this thing and I don't hear anything with any staying power. FD actually sounds downright bad. If you believe that Sleeping By Myself and Cold Concession/Let It Ride will be on that leaves 6 songs. And while it would be nice to have the Avocado songs polished up and released it would be pretty troubling that 7 year old leftovers and a uke song would make it onto a record that took 4 and a half years to make. You probably also have to take into account a throw away song a la Big Wave or Red Dot.....
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:20 am
But there is still the real possibility that 1 song, ONE SONG, may sneak through and join your list of favs.verb_to_trust wrote:ItsOkay wrote:So what's its going to take this album to win you back?verb_to_trust wrote:I literally never listen to BS and Avocado.
Its not going to.
I mean, I could type up a perfect world scenario but we've already heard 25 percent of this thing and I don't hear anything with any staying power. FD actually sounds downright bad. If you believe that Sleeping By Myself and Cold Concession/Let It Ride will be on that leaves 6 songs. And while it would be nice to have the Avocado songs polished up and released it would be pretty troubling that 7 year old leftovers and a uke song would make it onto a record that took 4 and a half years to make. You probably also have to take into account a throw away song a la Big Wave or Red Dot.....
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:24 am
Those aren't throwaways!verb_to_trust wrote:You probably also have to take into account a throw away song a la Big Wave or Red Dot.....
That said, I kind of feel like all the songs we have so far are throwaways.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:24 am
Nope, nothing wrong with the site at all, man. 60% of my posts are animated gifs. 30% are just general nonsensical bullshit. 10% is a mixture of possibly useful information, and me declaring my heterosexual love for various males on this board.gems and rhinestones wrote:Something is wrong with the site. It shows Sgt. Crackpot with a world record setting amount of posts for just over a month.Sgt. Crackpot wrote: Same. They only came out again very recently during my normal "listen through the whole catalogue in the lead up to the new album" phase. Both albums only got one spin, and that was enough.
Many of the other albums had many repeat spins, taking me back to the good ol' days.
It's quite easy to post a ton this crap in such a short period of time.
Edit: I was achieving an average of about 35 posts per day, but I'm now sitting on 27.57. Damn, I'm slipping.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:26 am
27ppdSgt. Crackpot wrote:Nope, nothing wrong with the site at all, man. 60% of my posts are animated gifs. 30% are just general nonsensical bullshit. 10% is a mixture of possibly useful information, and me declaring my heterosexual love for various males on this board.gems and rhinestones wrote:Something is wrong with the site. It shows Sgt. Crackpot with a world record setting amount of posts for just over a month.Sgt. Crackpot wrote: Same. They only came out again very recently during my normal "listen through the whole catalogue in the lead up to the new album" phase. Both albums only got one spin, and that was enough.
Many of the other albums had many repeat spins, taking me back to the good ol' days.
It's quite easy to post a ton this crap in such a short period of time.
I thought I was bad. Everything ok at home? Would a projector and a doorbell help?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:27 am
I don't mean to trash those songs but like I said, we've potentially heard half this thing already so the inevitable quirky fun tune or instrumental would just mean less space for the best case scenario for me, which is 4 or 5 songs I can load onto my ipod.Kevin Davis wrote:Those aren't throwaways!verb_to_trust wrote:You probably also have to take into account a throw away song a la Big Wave or Red Dot.....
That said, I kind of feel like all the songs we have so far are throwaways.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 2:28 am
I'm holding out hope for that other 75%. Mike said there is a melody, some hard punk and then some more experimental, Pink Floyd-like stuff. We already have the melody and punk, but nothing in that last category. So we can altleast look forward to some attempt(s) at it. I haven't listened to FD or LB since the live stream of the Wrigley concert. I'd rather delay disappointment by still holding tight to some hope, rather than listen and be reminded of how they need some crazy studio work to make them even touch the top 30% of the PJ catalog.verb_to_trust wrote:ItsOkay wrote:So what's its going to take this album to win you back?verb_to_trust wrote:I literally never listen to BS and Avocado.
Its not going to.
I mean, I could type up a perfect world scenario but we've already heard 25 percent of this thing and I don't hear anything with any staying power. FD actually sounds downright bad. If you believe that Sleeping By Myself and Cold Concession/Let It Ride will be on that leaves 6 songs. And while it would be nice to have the Avocado songs polished up and released it would be pretty troubling that 7 year old leftovers and a uke song would make it onto a record that took 4 and a half years to make. You probably also have to take into account a throw away song a la Big Wave or Red Dot.....
If Cold Concession and Let it Ride appear on there I won't be happy at all either. I'd take the Avocado songs unpolished if possible, though mastered for good volume.
As for the throw away you do get Where's my Sponge?