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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 3:14 pm
by harmless
Mine wrote:harmless wrote:Let's not forget that when Ed wrote ITW, reams and reams of casual fans thought he'd 'gone soft'. If we're accusing him of that now, we're at least a decade too late.
Also people here thought it was Mike on guitar when Hard Sun leaked. You reminded me of something else. Since ITW's release you regularly read people complaining how certain Ed's songs shouldn't be on PJ albums because they sound like his solo stuff. I wonder what this means for similar stuff since Small Town.
Thin Air i guess belongs on an Ed solo album following this logic (yup i know Stone wrote it).
Indeed, and I've said this before. Our first 'Ed solo song' was on Vs., and in Ed's mind, they're probably just acoustic songs. Who knows what Ed's reason is for focussing on that sound in his solo work, but the fact is that the wave-your-lighter ballad has always been part of Pearl Jam's repertoire.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 3:15 pm
by harmless
Revelator wrote:What if it leaked before an official track list has been posted? Slim chances of that, but would def be a first, no? Hard to believe that we haven't seen the "real" list yet...
I hope their reason for holding it back is a good one.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 3:16 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
Revelator wrote:What if it leaked before an official track list has been posted? Slim chances of that, but would def be a first, no? Hard to believe that we haven't seen the "real" list yet...
I still don't totally understand it not being released at the same time as the album was available for preorder
But hopefully they have a good reason for it
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 3:17 pm
by VinylGuy
RELEASE THE TRACKLIST.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 3:18 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
harmless wrote:Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:harmless wrote:Why do I keep seeing 'Album Leak Download' and 'Apollo MP3 Download' etc. on Google?
have you tried any of them?
Yes, and my computer blocked a trojan and some malware.
Im happy you used protection
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 3:19 pm
by stip
stupidmop wrote:stip wrote:stupidmop wrote:I've definitely had that thought before. I think ed especially uses the situation around him personally to write, and I guess that was just more interesting before he mellowed out and got a family and everything.
A lot on ten (and vs) references eds life up till then. I don't think we would have got vs and vitalogy had they not got super famous and panicked, there's a lot of songs there that directly refer to that whole situation (blood, not for you) and a lot that came from the emotions that came with it. No code was still ed fighting with his audience, and Yeild was created the way it was to keep the band together. Not to say that there weren't songs on those albums that tackled broader issues, but if they hadn't gotten as big as they did and were able to create albums without the outside world batting an eye I think we'd have got different albums completely.
Nowadays thier albums aren't a reaction to anything, they don't need the albums to say anything for them, they're just collections of songs rather than an outlet for any kind of release/reacton to something for ed. Not that they have to be, I'd consider binaural more outward focused, lyrically, and its my favourite album, probably. The next two dont do it aswell I don't think, and backspacer is...backspacer. I guess that's ed writing more about his immediate situation again which is mostly woo life! songs, love songs and wondering about dying songs. But with thier whole "fun" "poppy" and no homework songs thing going on.
I'm not sure ed is forcing things so much as he doesn't get as worked up about them as he did before, they don't inspire as much flat out hatred/vitrol. Maybe he is trying to sound angrier than he is, or maybe he was just better at putting it into a song convincingly back then, sync is about vinyl and go might be about a truck but eds voice still makes them sound intense.
You may not like it but s/t is arguably the album that is most about something concrete in the entire catalog. Most definitely a response to something. So is backspacer to, in a more oblique way. Both are as much if not more so than binauarl, for instance
If I'm honest I haven't put much thought into s/t, its just never grabbed me as a whole. What would you say its about?
I wrote a whole post somewhere with how I think binaural works as a series of character studies during a war/ pre apocalypse. But that might just be me reading too much into my favourite album.
Here is the obnoxious answer but the tldr version is that S/T is about macro and micro responses to the trauma of the Bush administration--it's a sister album to Riot Act, articulating what Riot Act couldn't because the wounds were too fresh for anger.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 3:20 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
VinylGuy wrote:RELEASE THE TRACKLIST.
Yeah
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 3:36 pm
by Lament
Some radio station somewhere will play something from this album besides MYM at some point in the next month or so.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 3:36 pm
by melonhead4
VinylGuy wrote:RELEASE THE TRACKLIST.
Im pretty sure the last tracklist we got was the real one...
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 3:59 pm
by harmless
melonhead4 wrote:VinylGuy wrote:RELEASE THE TRACKLIST.
Im pretty sure the last tracklist we got was the real one...
I kind of hope it is, because I wasn't unhappy with any of the titles.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 4:02 pm
by Mine
harmless wrote:Mine wrote:harmless wrote:Let's not forget that when Ed wrote ITW, reams and reams of casual fans thought he'd 'gone soft'. If we're accusing him of that now, we're at least a decade too late.
Also people here thought it was Mike on guitar when Hard Sun leaked. You reminded me of something else. Since ITW's release you regularly read people complaining how certain Ed's songs shouldn't be on PJ albums because they sound like his solo stuff. I wonder what this means for similar stuff since Small Town.
Thin Air i guess belongs on an Ed solo album following this logic (yup i know Stone wrote it).
Indeed, and I've said this before. Our first 'Ed solo song' was on Vs., and in Ed's mind, they're probably just acoustic songs. Who knows what Ed's reason is for focussing on that sound in his solo work, but the fact is that the wave-your-lighter ballad has always been part of Pearl Jam's repertoire.
It's hard to tell since he hasn't done a non thematic record yet.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 4:04 pm
by wilkins
So the new promo pic clearly shows the band performing for a live music video; the new MC clip playing MYM seems to be from that. They obviously filmed little vignettes from each perspective and a live video and other things in promotion.
Now just give us a damn tracklist!
I'm beginning to wonder if this is intentional (promotional hype) or if they're still deciding it's fate...
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 4:06 pm
by EJ
wilkins wrote:So the new promo pic clearly shows the band performing for a live music video; the new MC clip playing MYM seems to be from that. They obviously filmed little vignettes from each perspective and a live video and other things in promotion.
Where are you seeing this stuff?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 4:10 pm
by wilkins
EJ wrote:wilkins wrote:So the new promo pic clearly shows the band performing for a live music video; the new MC clip playing MYM seems to be from that. They obviously filmed little vignettes from each perspective and a live video and other things in promotion.
Where are you seeing this stuff?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asU8qPk0NEA
http://www.youtube.com/user/PearlJamOff ... dd&view=46
http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/i ... 573025.jpg
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 4:11 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
EJ wrote:wilkins wrote:So the new promo pic clearly shows the band performing for a live music video; the new MC clip playing MYM seems to be from that. They obviously filmed little vignettes from each perspective and a live video and other things in promotion.
Where are you seeing this stuff?
Yeah, can you post the picture?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 4:16 pm
by stupidmop
If they were making a video for mym wouldn't they have released it when they released the song? Or is it normal to release it later?
And if it is a video for mym, and its live, then its a missed opportunity for an awesome animated video. C'Mon guys, aanniimmatteddd.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 4:17 pm
by EJ
Thanks. That pic and Mike video have been out for awhile. But, the Matt video is new. Interesting. Looking fwd to Harmless' feedback on that one.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 4:21 pm
by harmless
How does that very posed promo pic show that they were performing for anything?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 4:22 pm
by Strat
harmless wrote:
How does that very posed promo pic show that they were performing for anything?
You didnt want the first video did you?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 19, 2013 4:30 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
i like that matt video, sounds good
