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Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:11 pm
by Ms Harmless
good ol' lecherous
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:12 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:17 pm
by guitar_davey
Ms Harmless wrote:guitar_davey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Mike wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:RockPusher wrote:You guys are such purists. Go listen to your Purile Jam. I’ll be enjoying the new album when it comes out lol.
Show me a PJ purist, and I'll show you an indifferent fanboy
I wonder if people would be as indifferent if there were 3-4 songs were an outsider sang half the song?
Oh I'm sure they'd have NO problem with this!
I think hard-won / resigned acceptance is a bit different to indifference
How much difference does it make?
none, we can enjoy (or not enjoy) whatever we want for whatever reason if it's not hurting anyone
I wasn't being combative. Just quoting the song.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:19 pm
by Ms Harmless
tragabigzanda wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Mike wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:RockPusher wrote:You guys are such purists. Go listen to your Purile Jam. I’ll be enjoying the new album when it comes out lol.
Show me a PJ purist, and I'll show you an indifferent fanboy
I wonder if people would be as indifferent if there were 3-4 songs were an outsider sang half the song?
Oh I'm sure they'd have NO problem with this!
I think hard-won / resigned acceptance is a bit different to indifference
Agreed...But I'll argue resignation is worse than indifference, at least when talking about fandom and value assigned to art. I'd LOVE to get to a point where I feel indifferent about PJ's music, and wouldn't feel so angry about them all the time.
Resignation strikes me as kind of pathetic, because it feels to me like a default setting for when one has become disinterested in finding new music, expanding horizons, blah blah blah. It's
pretty hard for me to listen to something like Riot Act, then get excited for Dark Matter; but it's REALLY hard for me to listen to something like Flying Lotus, Steve Reich, Il Sogno del Marinaio and then get excited for Dark Matter.
What I'm trying to say is: Lots of great music out there, so why would I spend time with something that feels like a pale imitation of something else I already own and love?
the notion that relaxing about Pearl Jam means you're not "expanding your horizons" with other music / bands / artists is just kinda elitist nonsense; some (like me) have just decided to allow them their flaws, because they've been part of their lives for that long, and because if we want vitality, invention, experimentation in music, there are lots of other places we can go and Pearl Jam aren't obligated to serve that purpose; to reiterate, it's possible to have complicated and nuanced relationships as well as very simple, transactional ones, even ones where admittedly sunk cost is a factor, and enjoy all of the above on different levels
in any case, you and I would disagree on what "inventive" etc. looks like in many cases anyway
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:20 pm
by Ms Harmless
guitar_davey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:guitar_davey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Mike wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:RockPusher wrote:You guys are such purists. Go listen to your Purile Jam. I’ll be enjoying the new album when it comes out lol.
Show me a PJ purist, and I'll show you an indifferent fanboy
I wonder if people would be as indifferent if there were 3-4 songs were an outsider sang half the song?
Oh I'm sure they'd have NO problem with this!
I think hard-won / resigned acceptance is a bit different to indifference
How much difference does it make?
none, we can enjoy (or not enjoy) whatever we want for whatever reason if it's not hurting anyone
I wasn't being combative. Just quoting the song.
oh, don't worry I didn't take it as combative, I was agreeing with the sentiment
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:21 pm
by guitar_davey
tragabigzanda wrote:
What I'm trying to say is: Lots of great music out there, so why would I spend time with something that feels like a pale imitation of something else I already own and love?
Not trying to get on your back, trag, but objectively speaking, it seems like you probably spend a lot of time with PJ, or at least contemplating them.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:21 pm
by guitar_davey
Ms Harmless wrote:guitar_davey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:guitar_davey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Mike wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:RockPusher wrote:You guys are such purists. Go listen to your Purile Jam. I’ll be enjoying the new album when it comes out lol.
Show me a PJ purist, and I'll show you an indifferent fanboy
I wonder if people would be as indifferent if there were 3-4 songs were an outsider sang half the song?
Oh I'm sure they'd have NO problem with this!
I think hard-won / resigned acceptance is a bit different to indifference
How much difference does it make?
none, we can enjoy (or not enjoy) whatever we want for whatever reason if it's not hurting anyone
I wasn't being combative. Just quoting the song.
oh, don't worry I didn't take it as combative, I was agreeing with the sentiment
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:23 pm
by Ms Harmless
I don't think late Pearl Jam is a "pale imitation of Pearl Jam", I think it's Pearl Jam, even if they didn't always act like my bitch and do what I wanted
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:31 pm
by Mike
stip wrote:Mike wrote:Wait, I forgot the influence that I love almost as much as Pearl Jam: R.E.M.!
me too! they are a very close second
Put Tom Waits in the list and we have 3 out of 5 the same top 5 Artists
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:33 pm
by stip
Mike wrote:stip wrote:Mike wrote:Wait, I forgot the influence that I love almost as much as Pearl Jam: R.E.M.!
me too! they are a very close second
Put Tom Waits in the list and we have 3 out of 5 the same top 5 Artists
Happy to! how do you feel about Mark Lanegan?
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:39 pm
by Fattie_Vedder
I go away for a couple of days thinking I won’t miss much but lo and behold, an actually interesting and nuanced discussion with great points about how their music is made! I’ve got some catching up to do…
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:47 pm
by Fattie_Vedder
Rank your top 5 none PJ artists.
But really, ranking nonsense aside, I am genuinely curious what non PJ folks here are into. And also curious to see if there are overlapping tastes. Then see if there’s a correlation between musical preferences and personality traits based on posting history.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:51 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 5:59 pm
by guitar_davey
tragabigzanda wrote:guitar_davey wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:
What I'm trying to say is: Lots of great music out there, so why would I spend time with something that feels like a pale imitation of something else I already own and love?
Not trying to get on your back, trag, but objectively speaking, it seems like you probably spend a lot of time with PJ, or at least contemplating them.
Maybe? I definitely spend too much time on this forum, that's for sure. Outside of that, not really.
Fair point.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 6:03 pm
by RockPusher
Fattie_Vedder wrote:Rank your top 5 none PJ artists.
But really, ranking nonsense aside, I am genuinely curious what non PJ folks here are into. And also curious to see if there are overlapping tastes. Then see if there’s a correlation between musical preferences and personality traits based on posting history.
1. Radiohead/The Smile
2. Pink Floyd
3. Built to Spill
4. Vetiver
5. Great Lake Swimmers
I like a lot of other bands like Pinback, Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, PJ Harvey, Ween, NIN, Beastie Boys, Elliott Smith, Jason Molina (and his various projects), The Notwist, Fever Ray and The Knife, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Cure, The Who, Slothrust, John Vanderslice, Klangstof, Woods, Midlake, Rare Monk, Phosphorescent, Explosions in the Sky, Dope Lemon
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 6:18 pm
by Mike
stip wrote:Mike wrote:stip wrote:Mike wrote:Wait, I forgot the influence that I love almost as much as Pearl Jam: R.E.M.!
me too! they are a very close second
Put Tom Waits in the list and we have 3 out of 5 the same top 5 Artists
Happy to! how do you feel about Mark Lanegan?
I Never listened to him. Where should I start?
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 6:39 pm
by chadisme417
Mike wrote:stip wrote:Mike wrote:stip wrote:Mike wrote:Wait, I forgot the influence that I love almost as much as Pearl Jam: R.E.M.!
me too! they are a very close second
Put Tom Waits in the list and we have 3 out of 5 the same top 5 Artists
Happy to! how do you feel about Mark Lanegan?
I Never listened to him. Where should I start?
Screaming Trees, Sweet Oblivion
Mark Lanegan, The Winding Sheet
He also did a really nice cover of AIC's "Nutshell"
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 6:43 pm
by VinylGuy
Mike wrote:stip wrote:Mike wrote:stip wrote:Mike wrote:Wait, I forgot the influence that I love almost as much as Pearl Jam: R.E.M.!
me too! they are a very close second
Put Tom Waits in the list and we have 3 out of 5 the same top 5 Artists
Happy to! how do you feel about Mark Lanegan?
I Never listened to him. Where should I start?
Bubblegum and Blues Funeral. Then go back to his 90s solo albums if you liked those two.
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 6:48 pm
by RockPusher
chadisme417 wrote:Mike wrote:stip wrote:Mike wrote:stip wrote:Mike wrote:Wait, I forgot the influence that I love almost as much as Pearl Jam: R.E.M.!
me too! they are a very close second
Put Tom Waits in the list and we have 3 out of 5 the same top 5 Artists
Happy to! how do you feel about Mark Lanegan?
I Never listened to him. Where should I start?
Screaming Trees, Sweet Oblivion
Mark Lanegan, The Winding Sheet
He also did a really nice cover of AIC's "Nutshell"
Nutshell is one of my favorite songs (Jar of Flies is an absolute MASTERPIECE) and I had never heard this cover so thanks for bringing it to my attention!
Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 05, 2024 7:14 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Ms Harmless wrote:Soon Foogazi
I’ve been enjoying posting in harmony with you but then you have to go and ruin it!