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Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 21, 2023 5:47 pm
by Peeps
Bammer wrote:
blueviper wrote:
Bammer wrote:My buddy in Texas has his kids in private school because the public school puts litter boxes in the bathrooms for kids who identify as cats.
Pretty sure this has been debunked.


But I'll say going the private school route worked well for us.
He is a lawyer. He can’t possibly be lying or embellishing.

no but he is a friend of yours so that already throws his character in doubt

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 21, 2023 5:54 pm
by Bammer
Peeps wrote:
Bammer wrote:
blueviper wrote:
Bammer wrote:My buddy in Texas has his kids in private school because the public school puts litter boxes in the bathrooms for kids who identify as cats.
Pretty sure this has been debunked.


But I'll say going the private school route worked well for us.
He is a lawyer. He can’t possibly be lying or embellishing.

no but he is a friend of yours so that already throws his character in doubt
What a zinger. Fucking aces my man.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 21, 2023 6:30 pm
by B
simple schoolboy wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Matters wrote:Do you worry about or even consider that the state could eventually take more power away from you over your children?
Yes, we must be vigilant.

Imagine if states started passing laws that police pronouns and identity expression in schools, until parents no longer had the right to tell their children it’s ok to be the person you are, you don’t have to hide it or be ashamed.

Truly a nightmare scenario for those who worry about government overreach.
Default pronouns and parental notification are far less of an over reach than default judgements against non affirming parents and the state taking custody of kids.
For the record, teachers can't take your kids away from you.

And since we've all heard about 1 or 2 cases of parents losing custody when there is absolutely, definitely, 100% nothing else going on but misgendering, I remain unworried about a massive state over reach driven by underpaid public servants who aren't even given the funding for pencils.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 21, 2023 10:03 pm
by Bi_3
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Matters wrote:Do you worry about or even consider that the state could eventually take more power away from you over your children?
Yes, we must be vigilant.

Imagine if states started passing laws that police pronouns and identity expression in schools, until parents no longer had the right to tell their children it’s ok to be the person you are, you don’t have to hide it or be ashamed.

Truly a nightmare scenario for those who worry about government overreach.
Default pronouns and parental notification are far less of an over reach than default judgements against non affirming parents and the state taking custody of kids.

For the record, teachers can't take your kids away from you.


And since we've all heard about 1 or 2 cases of parents losing custody when there is absolutely, definitely, 100% nothing else going on but misgendering, I remain unworried about a massive state over reach driven by underpaid public servants who aren't even given the funding for pencils.
I'm not sure that is correct in California anymore. The law can be interpreted as failure to affirm is equivalent to child abuse, so if a teacher transitions a child in secret...

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 21, 2023 10:37 pm
by B
:roll:

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 21, 2023 10:54 pm
by Bi_3
B wrote::roll:
I don’t write the laws bro

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 21, 2023 11:36 pm
by B
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote::roll:
I don’t write the laws bro
You don't interpret them very well either.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 21, 2023 11:54 pm
by Bi_3
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote::roll:
I don’t write the laws bro
You don't interpret them very well either.
https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/californ ... 41.htm/amp

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sacramento/ ... y-capitol/

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Fri September 22, 2023 12:04 am
by B
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote::roll:
I don’t write the laws bro
You don't interpret them very well either.
https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/californ ... 41.htm/amp

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sacramento/ ... y-capitol/
https://apnews.com/article/misinformati ... ffc55edeb7
The legislation would amend existing state law to say that a court’s consideration of “the health, safety, and welfare” of the child should include “among other comprehensive factors, a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity or gender expression.”
Also:
B wrote:For the record, teachers can't take your kids away from you.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Fri September 22, 2023 12:24 am
by Bi_3
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote::roll:
I don’t write the laws bro
You don't interpret them very well either.
https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/californ ... 41.htm/amp

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sacramento/ ... y-capitol/
https://apnews.com/article/misinformati ... ffc55edeb7
The legislation would amend existing state law to say that a court’s consideration of “the health, safety, and welfare” of the child should include “among other comprehensive factors, a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity or gender expression.”
Also:
B wrote:For the record, teachers can't take your kids away from you.
So then I was interpreting it correctly that a refusal to affirm could count as abusive, meaning a teacher who encourages transition could induce a loss of custody if a parent doesn’t agree with the teacher’s decision

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Fri September 22, 2023 1:18 am
by B
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote::roll:
I don’t write the laws bro
You don't interpret them very well either.
https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/californ ... 41.htm/amp

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sacramento/ ... y-capitol/
https://apnews.com/article/misinformati ... ffc55edeb7
The legislation would amend existing state law to say that a court’s consideration of “the health, safety, and welfare” of the child should include “among other comprehensive factors, a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity or gender expression.”
Also:
B wrote:For the record, teachers can't take your kids away from you.
So then I was interpreting it correctly that a refusal to affirm could count as abusive, meaning a teacher who encourages transition could induce a loss of custody if a parent doesn’t agree with the teacher’s decision
There's nothing in that law that allows judges to consider the actions of non-family members in the decision of a custody case.

A teacher being kind to a kid is just a teacher being kind to a kid, that has no bearing on a court case.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Sat September 23, 2023 11:36 am
by Bi_3
Non-issue now as Newsom, for reasons no one could possibly guess, moves toward the center and nixes it:

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Sun September 24, 2023 6:31 pm
by simple schoolboy
Bi_3 wrote:Non-issue now as Newsom, for reasons no one could possibly guess, moves toward the center and nixes it:
It passed with 75% support. Threshold to overrule veto is 2/3rds. Could be a costless, consequence free gesture, we'll see.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 28, 2023 4:22 am
by simple schoolboy
https://wesleyyang.substack.com/p/unive ... od-daycare

Feel like an asshole posting this as a childless millennial, but uh, possibly more plausible than competing theories.

If true, how does one restructure society to stop harming young children? Massive child tax credits*?

*especially shitty moms are actually worse than the state, so pre-K for those kids

Universal pre-K kinda looks like eliminating 8th grade Algebra in that light. They know it will harm kids with less than neglectful parents, but they have to pretend it doesn't in order to provide some benefit to kids with dysfunctional parents.

Old timey 1920s pro eugenics progressives might have over simplified things a bit, but good lord this new version is just unworkable.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 28, 2023 11:47 am
by spike
1985 you say? That abomination New Coke is to blame.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 28, 2023 12:03 pm
by B
They eliminated 8th grade Algebra?

Then why the fuck am I trying to help my 6th grader with it?

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 28, 2023 12:08 pm
by Bi_3
B wrote:They eliminated 8th grade Algebra?

Then why the fuck am I trying to help my 6th grader with it?

https://edsource.org/2022/california-re ... bay/669010

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Thu September 28, 2023 2:41 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
B wrote:They eliminated 8th grade Algebra?

Then why the fuck am I trying to help my 6th grader with it?
Because they moved it from 8th grade to 6th grade?

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Tue October 03, 2023 3:42 pm
by Bi_3
Troubling developments...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ra/675509/

Meanwhile, the ideas that animate the CMF—particularly its endorsement of data-literacy classes as a substitute for math and its suggestion that large swaths of the traditional high-school math curriculum are obsolete—are popping up in other states. In Ohio, for example, a menu of alternative math “pathways” in high school has been touted as providing entry into a variety of appealing and lucrative careers. But the pathways labeled for data science and computer science remove many Algebra II skills; the fine print reveals that the pathways are inadequate for students who might want college degrees in those fields. School officials in Middletown, Connecticut, have proposed to revamp the traditional calculus track by scaling back on preparations for eighth-grade Algebra I and introducing mash-up algebra-and-geometry courses that would magically pack three years of instruction into two.

Add in the 4 day school week and any kids of parent(s) that cannot afford private tutoring or cannot do it themselves are screwed.

Re: General Education Topik

Posted: Wed December 20, 2023 2:41 pm
by B