TV: Fargo

[epilogue]

S1 (A+)
S2 (A-)
S3 (A)
S4 (C+)
S5...?

Trending toward another A+

4 was a solid B.

I don't mean to be overly harsh. But only one episode of that season has stuck with me. And Jessie Buckley's storyline is the only one I really remember.

I applaud Hawley for what he tried to do but he was out of his depth.

Still, Is be willing to change the grade to a B-

If it was set on the Kansas side of Kansas City, you’d have liked it better.

Duh!

[epilogue]

S1 (A+)
S2 (A-)
S3 (A)
S4 (C+)
S5...?

Trending toward another A+

4 was a solid B.

I don't mean to be overly harsh. But only one episode of that season has stuck with me. And Jessie Buckley's storyline is the only one I really remember.

I applaud Hawley for what he tried to do but he was out of his depth.

Still, Is be willing to change the grade to a B-

If it was set on the Kansas side of Kansas City, you’d have liked it better.

No black people live on the Kansas side.

[Ensign9]

Two eps in and loving it. I would’ve been perfectly content with a remake of the movie, as it first seemed to be, but thrilled to see this being its own thing.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[wease]

Looks like it may end up being Dot, Lorraine and everybody against Roy. After seeing the file, there’s no way Lorraine doesn’t back Dot.

[wease]

And I really wanted Indira to punch her fucking husband in the face when he was having his whining spell. And I REALLY hope she accepts Lorraine’s offer.

[daft twat]

And I really wanted Indira to punch her fucking husband in the face when he was having his whining spell. And I REALLY hope she accepts Lorraine’s offer.

He was making a lot of good points.

[Ello Sailor]

[Ensign9]

Just finished a rewatch of season 1. All-time great season of TV.

[Bi_3]

Through the first four, really good. Not sure what the hell went wrong with the previous season but it appears they've shaken it off.

[Ensign9]

Incredible episode (5x07). Give Fargo the Emmy now.

[Bi_3]

Can someone explain the not so subtle wizard of oz theme? I’m not quiet grasping all of it

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

Can someone explain the not so subtle wizard of oz theme? I’m not quiet grasping all of it

Don't think of it as a one to one comp or anything like that. It's a broader, overarching motif.

Hawley has said that the film Fargo (to him) is about capitalism/greed and the impact thereof on "Americana." He's used that big idea to frame every season.

On top of that, Hawley has also said he views The Wizard of Oz as one of the only true, purely American myths.

Baum's original book has long had political interpretations. Many see it as an allegory for class struggle, capitalism v socialism, and monetary policy. Vey similar themes to what Hawley is exploring in Fargo.

Though more overt this season (this may have to do with the WHEN and WHY Hawley set this season) the Oz allusions have been in the show since the beginning. Let's not forget last season's exceptional black and white tornado episode.

[epilogue]

Incredible episode (5x07). Give Fargo the Emmy now.

This was a trip.

Nothing deflates me more than "it was all a dream" in stories. Which of course makes this the most paradoxical TV experience I can remember in a long, long fucking time.

[Bi_3]

Can someone explain the not so subtle wizard of oz theme? I’m not quiet grasping all of it

Hadn’t thought about this until now but:

Dorothy = Dot
Toto = the kid
Wicked Witch of the West = Roy Tillman
Tin Man = Gator
Scarecrow = Wayne (or the FBI agents)
Cowardly Lion = Indira
Wicked Witch of the East = Lorraine (but she may turn into Glinda the Good Witch)
Flying Monkeys = Munch/Graves

Not sure who the male cop is, but he’s also disappeared from the last couple episodes

This list is probably right, thematically it has been woven in at many places but seemed more important in 5x07. I dunno.

[epilogue]

Can someone explain the not so subtle wizard of oz theme? I’m not quiet grasping all of it

Hadn’t thought about this until now but:

Dorothy = Dot
Toto = the kid
Wicked Witch of the West = Roy Tillman
Tin Man = Gator
Scarecrow = Wayne (or the FBI agents)
Cowardly Lion = Indira
Wicked Witch of the East = Lorraine (but she may turn into Glinda the Good Witch)
Flying Monkeys = Munch/Graves

Not sure who the male cop is, but he’s also disappeared from the last couple episodes

Just want to point out again that there may not be a real one to one here.

But also a reminder that this whole season is about subversion. It literally starts with a subversion of the wife kidnapping from the Fargo film. So maybe we shouldn't be thinking of what these characters have in common with characters from Oz. Or if we do think about them that way, maybe we should also keep an eye out for how things won't go the way we think. The subversion might be more important in cracking any potential code.

[Bi_3]

Can someone explain the not so subtle wizard of oz theme? I’m not quiet grasping all of it

Hadn’t thought about this until now but:

Dorothy = Dot
Toto = the kid
Wicked Witch of the West = Roy Tillman
Tin Man = Gator
Scarecrow = Wayne (or the FBI agents)
Cowardly Lion = Indira
Wicked Witch of the East = Lorraine (but she may turn into Glinda the Good Witch)
Flying Monkeys = Munch/Graves

Not sure who the male cop is, but he’s also disappeared from the last couple episodes

Just want to point out again that there may not be a real one to one here.

But also a reminder that this whole season is about subversion. It literally starts with a subversion of the wife kidnapping from the Fargo film. So maybe we shouldn't be thinking of what these characters have in common with characters from Oz. Or if we do think about them that way, maybe we should also keep an eye out for how things won't go the way we think. The subversion might be more important in cracking any potential code.

Fair enough.

I think Gator and Roy's crew are the Flying Monkeys though.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.