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Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Mon December 18, 2023 10:08 pm
by epilogue
wease wrote:
epilogue wrote:
wease wrote:
epilogue wrote:S1 (A+)
S2 (A-)
S3 (A)
S4 (C+)
S5...?

Trending toward another A+
4 was a solid B.
I don't mean to be overly harsh. But only one episode of that season has stuck with me. And Jessie Buckley's storyline is the only one I really remember.

I applaud Hawley for what he tried to do but he was out of his depth.

Still, Is be willing to change the grade to a B-
If it was set on the Kansas side of Kansas City, you’d have liked it better.
Duh!

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Mon December 18, 2023 10:09 pm
by epilogue
Monkey_Driven wrote:
wease wrote:
epilogue wrote:
wease wrote:
epilogue wrote:S1 (A+)
S2 (A-)
S3 (A)
S4 (C+)
S5...?

Trending toward another A+
4 was a solid B.
I don't mean to be overly harsh. But only one episode of that season has stuck with me. And Jessie Buckley's storyline is the only one I really remember.

I applaud Hawley for what he tried to do but he was out of his depth.

Still, Is be willing to change the grade to a B-
If it was set on the Kansas side of Kansas City, you’d have liked it better.
No black people live on the Kansas side.
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Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 21, 2023 5:10 am
by Ensign9
Two eps in and loving it. I would’ve been perfectly content with a remake of the movie, as it first seemed to be, but thrilled to see this being its own thing.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Fri December 22, 2023 4:01 am
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Sat December 23, 2023 11:54 pm
by wease
Looks like it may end up being Dot, Lorraine and everybody against Roy. After seeing the file, there’s no way Lorraine doesn’t back Dot.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Sat December 23, 2023 11:58 pm
by wease
And I really wanted Indira to punch her fucking husband in the face when he was having his whining spell. And I REALLY hope she accepts Lorraine’s offer.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Sun December 24, 2023 1:35 am
by daft twat
wease wrote:And I really wanted Indira to punch her fucking husband in the face when he was having his whining spell. And I REALLY hope she accepts Lorraine’s offer.
He was making a lot of good points.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Sun December 24, 2023 1:56 am
by Ello Sailor
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Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Mon December 25, 2023 8:40 am
by Ensign9
Just finished a rewatch of season 1. All-time great season of TV.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Wed December 27, 2023 1:10 pm
by Bi_3
Through the first four, really good. Not sure what the hell went wrong with the previous season but it appears they've shaken it off.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 28, 2023 1:55 am
by Ensign9
Incredible episode (5x07). Give Fargo the Emmy now.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 28, 2023 1:40 pm
by Bi_3
Can someone explain the not so subtle wizard of oz theme? I’m not quiet grasping all of it

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 28, 2023 3:00 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 28, 2023 4:16 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 28, 2023 5:06 pm
by epilogue
Bi_3 wrote:Can someone explain the not so subtle wizard of oz theme? I’m not quiet grasping all of it
Don't think of it as a one to one comp or anything like that. It's a broader, overarching motif.

Hawley has said that the film Fargo (to him) is about capitalism/greed and the impact thereof on "Americana." He's used that big idea to frame every season.

On top of that, Hawley has also said he views The Wizard of Oz as one of the only true, purely American myths.

Baum's original book has long had political interpretations. Many see it as an allegory for class struggle, capitalism v socialism, and monetary policy. Vey similar themes to what Hawley is exploring in Fargo.

Though more overt this season (this may have to do with the WHEN and WHY Hawley set this season) the Oz allusions have been in the show since the beginning. Let's not forget last season's exceptional black and white tornado episode.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 28, 2023 5:07 pm
by epilogue
tragabigzanda wrote:
Ensign9 wrote:Incredible episode (5x07). Give Fargo the Emmy now.
This was a trip.
Nothing deflates me more than "it was all a dream" in stories. Which of course makes this the most paradoxical TV experience I can remember in a long, long fucking time.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 28, 2023 5:08 pm
by Bi_3
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:Can someone explain the not so subtle wizard of oz theme? I’m not quiet grasping all of it
Hadn’t thought about this until now but:

Dorothy = Dot
Toto = the kid
Wicked Witch of the West = Roy Tillman
Tin Man = Gator
Scarecrow = Wayne (or the FBI agents)
Cowardly Lion = Indira
Wicked Witch of the East = Lorraine (but she may turn into Glinda the Good Witch)
Flying Monkeys = Munch/Graves

Not sure who the male cop is, but he’s also disappeared from the last couple episodes

This list is probably right, thematically it has been woven in at many places but seemed more important in 5x07. I dunno.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 28, 2023 5:19 pm
by epilogue
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:Can someone explain the not so subtle wizard of oz theme? I’m not quiet grasping all of it
Hadn’t thought about this until now but:

Dorothy = Dot
Toto = the kid
Wicked Witch of the West = Roy Tillman
Tin Man = Gator
Scarecrow = Wayne (or the FBI agents)
Cowardly Lion = Indira
Wicked Witch of the East = Lorraine (but she may turn into Glinda the Good Witch)
Flying Monkeys = Munch/Graves

Not sure who the male cop is, but he’s also disappeared from the last couple episodes
Just want to point out again that there may not be a real one to one here.

But also a reminder that this whole season is about subversion. It literally starts with a subversion of the wife kidnapping from the Fargo film. So maybe we shouldn't be thinking of what these characters have in common with characters from Oz. Or if we do think about them that way, maybe we should also keep an eye out for how things won't go the way we think. The subversion might be more important in cracking any potential code.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 28, 2023 5:30 pm
by Bi_3
epilogue wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:Can someone explain the not so subtle wizard of oz theme? I’m not quiet grasping all of it
Hadn’t thought about this until now but:

Dorothy = Dot
Toto = the kid
Wicked Witch of the West = Roy Tillman
Tin Man = Gator
Scarecrow = Wayne (or the FBI agents)
Cowardly Lion = Indira
Wicked Witch of the East = Lorraine (but she may turn into Glinda the Good Witch)
Flying Monkeys = Munch/Graves

Not sure who the male cop is, but he’s also disappeared from the last couple episodes
Just want to point out again that there may not be a real one to one here.

But also a reminder that this whole season is about subversion. It literally starts with a subversion of the wife kidnapping from the Fargo film. So maybe we shouldn't be thinking of what these characters have in common with characters from Oz. Or if we do think about them that way, maybe we should also keep an eye out for how things won't go the way we think. The subversion might be more important in cracking any potential code.
Fair enough.

I think Gator and Roy's crew are the Flying Monkeys though.

Re: TV: Fargo

Posted: Thu December 28, 2023 5:40 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.