too much circumstantial evidence against these two rapists already
but can never have enough pomp
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Sun June 14, 2020 5:09 pm
by Mickey
It's June, just wait.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Sun June 14, 2020 6:25 pm
by McParadigm
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 1:57 am
by 96583UP
looks like this one's in the bag
nothing could possib-ly go wrong
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 3:49 am
by McParadigm
96583UP wrote:looks like this one's in the bag
nothing could possib-ly go wrong
We can’t take this lead for granted. I hear he’s expecting a crowd of 6 billion in Tulsa.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 3:25 pm
by wease
McParadigm wrote:
96583UP wrote:looks like this one's in the bag
nothing could possib-ly go wrong
We can’t take this lead for granted. I hear he’s expecting a crowd of 6 billion in Tulsa.
It’s the biggest crowd in the history of crowds.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 4:11 pm
by elliseamos
wease wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
96583UP wrote:looks like this one's in the bag
nothing could possib-ly go wrong
We can’t take this lead for granted. I hear he’s expecting a crowd of 6 billion in Tulsa.
It’s the biggest crowd in the history of crowds.
Some, I'm sure, are good people.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 4:13 pm
by MadTIGERmaN
elliseamos wrote:
wease wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
96583UP wrote:looks like this one's in the bag
nothing could possib-ly go wrong
We can’t take this lead for granted. I hear he’s expecting a crowd of 6 billion in Tulsa.
It’s the biggest crowd in the history of crowds.
Some, I'm sure, are good people.
Hes got such a long long history of big crowds with great people...
Go to 3:07
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 5:30 pm
by wease
MadTIGERmaN wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
wease wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
96583UP wrote:looks like this one's in the bag
nothing could possib-ly go wrong
We can’t take this lead for granted. I hear he’s expecting a crowd of 6 billion in Tulsa.
It’s the biggest crowd in the history of crowds.
Some, I'm sure, are good people.
Hes got such a long long history of big crowds with great people...
Go to 3:07
That’s hilarious. He keeps adding to the number.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 7:02 pm
by digster
For all the talk about Biden's age and mental acuity, it's way more stunning to watch older videos of Trump. It's the same attitude, bluster and idiocy then as of now, but his ability to form complete, coherent thoughts has completely dissipated.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 7:10 pm
by Hatfield
digster wrote:For all the talk about Biden's age and mental acuity, it's way more stunning to watch older videos of Trump. It's the same attitude, bluster and idiocy then as of now, but his ability to form complete, coherent thoughts has completely dissipated.
"fading lights, lost eloquence"
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 7:14 pm
by wease
Hatfield wrote:
digster wrote:For all the talk about Biden's age and mental acuity, it's way more stunning to watch older videos of Trump. It's the same attitude, bluster and idiocy then as of now, but his ability to form complete, coherent thoughts has completely dissipated.
"fading lights, lost eloquence"
Diminished ability to drink from a glass...
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 7:32 pm
by MadTIGERmaN
reading the comments on that Dan Rather interview from 99 are hilarious.
Anti Trumpers - see, people were calling him a con-man already in 99. His attitude hasnt changed. Hes already saying McCann is not a war hero. Everything weve been saying about him today, was already true in 1999.
Pro Trumpers - The media was already against this great man trying to destroy him. Look at how wrong they were about him. I used to respect Dan Rather but not after seeing this, hes just another fake news anchor.
Its like were watching two totally different interviews.
Mostly just rah-rah from the hoopleheads who also think covid is a bad flu, but this stuck out:
At the center of the disconnect between Trump loyalists’ assessment of the state of the race and the one based on public opinion polls is a distrust of polling itself. Republicans see an industry that maliciously oversamples Democrats or under-samples the white, non-college educated voters who are most likely to support Trump. They say it is hard to know who likely voters are this far from the election. And like many Democrats, they suspect Trump supporters disproportionately hang up on pollsters, under-counting his level of support.
Ted Lovdahl, chairman of the Republican Party in Minnesota’s 8th Congressional District, said he has friends who will tell pollsters “just exactly the opposite of what they feel.”
When he asked one of them why, his friend told him, “I don’t like some of their questions. It’s none of their business what I do.”
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 7:57 pm
by Rob
Lets own the libs by letting Trump lose badly in the polls. Genius.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 8:03 pm
by Mickey
I mean, you could argue that presenting their big wet boy as embattled will have the effect of firing up his base. In a two person race it probably doesn't matter the same way it would in, say, the Dem primary, where downplaying support for Bernie would have wrapped this thing up much sooner. That said, you're right, it's pretty fucking stupid: there's no way it's widespread enough to account for things like Trump being only ahead by 2 in Arkansas, as you and mcp have noted here, his base has almost certainly shrunk from 2016 so their being fired up won't get the job done, and most importantly all these rosy GOP predictions are predicated on the economy coming back BETTER THAN EVER (which, lol). But it does make me wonder about some of the close polling in the battleground states. We know this happened in 2016 too.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 8:07 pm
by digster
But isn't the most likely reason 2016 state polls in certain states went slightly awry was that undecideds broke hard for Trump? I've heard the "Trump voters answers in the opposite way" is an anecdotal thing, but I've never seen anything that showed that was actually a factor. Pollsters just not reaching Trump voters seems more possible.
But if it is undecideds that made the outcome different than the polling, that's not a good sign for Trump. The pool of undecideds is smaller this time (Trump's no longer an unknown), and the undecideds that are there are going for Biden.
This is all talking about the race as it is in June, so there's time for things to change. But I think less time than everyone believes.
Re: Election 2020
Posted: Mon June 15, 2020 10:19 pm
by McParadigm
Mickey wrote:
And like many Democrats, they suspect Trump supporters disproportionately hang up on pollsters
If supporters of one team in a high interest two team national election were hanging up on pollsters...
A. Wouldn’t pollsters be talking about how much harder it is to get responses this year?
B. Wouldn’t that leave the demographic part of the results drastically skewed Democrat, forcing them to either continue pursuing heterogeneous data or scrap the poll?
C. Since demographic information is included in the reports, wouldn’t anybody who looks…at all…be able to see on the surface that their sample is skewed?
D. Wouldn’t we see that indicated in an unprecedented difference between national presidential polls and state level Senate polls?