Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 7:47 pm
Red Mosquito
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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 7:57 pm
Some new stuff in the goods section.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 8:03 pm
No fucking way. Where?lowlight79 wrote:Plus, there many elitist pearl jam fans who are just real assholes.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 8:31 pm
EJ wrote:
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 8:51 pm
it is, but art does not require suffering in the slightest. What art requires is imagination and empathy--the ability to imagine something true about the world and the way people experience it, and the ability to express it in a way that seems true to others that they could not have articulated themselves. Great art requires suffering only if you are limited to writing from your own experience.dimejinky99 wrote:Isn't this an age long debate? I think you do have to suffer for your art. Not for it to be good but sometimes, yeah.stip wrote:None of those things are truedimejinky99 wrote:BurtReynolds wrote:contentment is stagnationdimejinky99 wrote:My friend and I were talking last night. He's seen about 50 Pj shows or so from 95 onwards and he was saying how he hates that the gigs have become a celebration vibe.
I would agree that the mood/vibe that used to be there in Pj shows is gone somehow, there used to be all this energy and atmosphere created and based on set lists but now it's gone.
We were wondering how the writing in the new songs will reflect that. Are they gonna be writing from the content/peaceful place they seem to be at?
Will they still try to have something to rail against and how successful will this be if they're all blissed out?
All these questions. October is so far away
Is it true all the best art is borne of pain?
to say nothing of the fact that something being true has nothing at all to do with it being painful or dark.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 8:53 pm
Hey stip, get outta here and get to the tourney thread... we're waiting for you! (patiently, of course...)
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 8:57 pm
Absolutely. The 'suffering artist' is just a romantic cliche invented by people who enjoy the idea of creative personas. Artists are generally just normal people; some suffer, some don't. That's life.stip wrote:it is, but art does not require suffering in the slightest. What art requires is imagination and empathy--the ability to imagine something true about the world and the way people experience it, and the ability to express it in a way that seems true to others that they could not have articulated themselves. Great art requires suffering only if you are limited to writing from your own experience.dimejinky99 wrote:Isn't this an age long debate? I think you do have to suffer for your art. Not for it to be good but sometimes, yeah.stip wrote:None of those things are truedimejinky99 wrote:BurtReynolds wrote:contentment is stagnationdimejinky99 wrote:My friend and I were talking last night. He's seen about 50 Pj shows or so from 95 onwards and he was saying how he hates that the gigs have become a celebration vibe.
I would agree that the mood/vibe that used to be there in Pj shows is gone somehow, there used to be all this energy and atmosphere created and based on set lists but now it's gone.
We were wondering how the writing in the new songs will reflect that. Are they gonna be writing from the content/peaceful place they seem to be at?
Will they still try to have something to rail against and how successful will this be if they're all blissed out?
All these questions. October is so far away
Is it true all the best art is borne of pain?
to say nothing of the fact that something being true has nothing at all to do with it being painful or dark.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 8:59 pm
True.stip wrote:art does not require suffering in the slightest.
Oh, super no.What art requires is imagination and empathy.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:00 pm
I don't know about empathy; but yeah, to create good art, imagination helps.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:10 pm
Requires may be too strong a word
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:11 pm
Or maybe not. Explain yourself mcp
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:12 pm
Towards empathy, it absolutely is too strong a word.
Creativity? I'm not totally sure. Most of the time creativity produces art, but occasionally I think art produces creativity.
Creativity? I'm not totally sure. Most of the time creativity produces art, but occasionally I think art produces creativity.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:13 pm
But enough talk about art. Let's talk about Lightning Bolt!
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:16 pm
I really have to tip my hat at the 10C for creating what has been a delightfully exciting run-up campaign.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:17 pm
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:21 pm
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:22 pm
stip wrote:it is, but art does not require suffering in the slightest. What art requires is imagination and empathy--the ability to imagine something true about the world and the way people experience it, and the ability to express it in a way that seems true to others that they could not have articulated themselves. Great art requires suffering only if you are limited to writing from your own experience.dimejinky99 wrote:Isn't this an age long debate? I think you do have to suffer for your art. Not for it to be good but sometimes, yeah.stip wrote:None of those things are truedimejinky99 wrote:BurtReynolds wrote:contentment is stagnationdimejinky99 wrote:My friend and I were talking last night. He's seen about 50 Pj shows or so from 95 onwards and he was saying how he hates that the gigs have become a celebration vibe.
I would agree that the mood/vibe that used to be there in Pj shows is gone somehow, there used to be all this energy and atmosphere created and based on set lists but now it's gone.
We were wondering how the writing in the new songs will reflect that. Are they gonna be writing from the content/peaceful place they seem to be at?
Will they still try to have something to rail against and how successful will this be if they're all blissed out?
All these questions. October is so far away
Is it true all the best art is borne of pain?
to say nothing of the fact that something being true has nothing at all to do with it being painful or dark.
I think that's where ed has been failing a bit here and there on the last few releases.
He used to be great at writing in the third person (daughter, even given to fly) sort of character based songs, but then something like Unemployable(nothing to do with me not liking the song) comes across as phoney. And in the first person, something like Gone, or even the end, can be seen as heavy handed and flawed.
He can still write a great tune and maybe he's working on bettering things he's not so strong at, but it sometimes feels like its at the expense of those he is good at.
Maybe I just don't feel he's connecting to his subjects anymore? I dunno.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:24 pm
His problem is just that he hasn't got any new subjects to cling onto. The closest we've come to one is Johnny Guitar. Anyone would run out of stuff to say about the same subjects after this long.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:26 pm
Maybe. Guess we'll find out In October.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Tue August 20, 2013 9:27 pm
dimejinky99 wrote:stip wrote:it is, but art does not require suffering in the slightest. What art requires is imagination and empathy--the ability to imagine something true about the world and the way people experience it, and the ability to express it in a way that seems true to others that they could not have articulated themselves. Great art requires suffering only if you are limited to writing from your own experience.dimejinky99 wrote:Isn't this an age long debate? I think you do have to suffer for your art. Not for it to be good but sometimes, yeah.stip wrote:None of those things are truedimejinky99 wrote:BurtReynolds wrote:contentment is stagnationdimejinky99 wrote:My friend and I were talking last night. He's seen about 50 Pj shows or so from 95 onwards and he was saying how he hates that the gigs have become a celebration vibe.
I would agree that the mood/vibe that used to be there in Pj shows is gone somehow, there used to be all this energy and atmosphere created and based on set lists but now it's gone.
We were wondering how the writing in the new songs will reflect that. Are they gonna be writing from the content/peaceful place they seem to be at?
Will they still try to have something to rail against and how successful will this be if they're all blissed out?
All these questions. October is so far away
Is it true all the best art is borne of pain?
to say nothing of the fact that something being true has nothing at all to do with it being painful or dark.
I think that's where ed has been failing a bit here and there on the last few releases.
He used to be great at writing in the third person (daughter, even given to fly) sort of character based songs, but then something like Unemployable(nothing to do with me not liking the song) comes across as phoney. And in the first person, something like Gone, or even the end, can be seen as heavy handed and flawed.
He can still write a great tune and maybe he's working on bettering things he's not so strong at, but it sometimes feels like its at the expense of those he is good at.
Maybe I just don't feel he's connecting to his subjects anymore? I dunno.
writing that 'decline of the american dream' stuff is VERY hard to do well. Springsteen is one of the only people I can think of who can do it well most of the time