Red Mosquito

I have a lot of friends and collegues who are going to bristle (I was doing a bit of it, too) at the fact that questions about racial disparities in America always turn into conversations about young black/Hispanic men and never really mention women of color. Clinton loves to talk about the wage gap, and surely she knows it's even worse for black women. From a purely strategic standpoint, that's a block of Obama voters that she needs to mobilize, and hopefully some aide will bring it up in the debate post-mortem.

Birds in Hell wrote:

I'm enjoying watching the media go about the unenviable task of finding a way to be "fair and balanced" by having something they can point to as Trump's best moment.

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BurtReynolds wrote:Has Gary Johnson had a chance to speak yet?

theplatypus wrote:I'm gonna call this debate for HRC. It started out kind of iffy but she ended up dominating. Trump really blew it on the second half, took every bait, and then made some really confusing choices in his answers.

this is the same impression relayed by most of the media, but I thought Hillary crushed him from the beginning. His arguments were laughable and he simply lost the debate on pretty much every point.
I feel like I am being pretty objective, too, because I am a huge devil's advocate. and was willing to give Trump an honest chance.

one thing he nailed is that we do have too many shitty major airports

"a very against police judge" is still my line of the night.

tragabigzanda wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:"a very against police judge" is still my line of the night.

What I wouldn't give to see him and George W. have a frank discussion about ISIS.

fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

He got so flustered talking about the cyber that he never even noticed the opportunity to talk about email server security. The number of baffling wet farts he dropped out was amazing.

It's possible that, for once, HuffPo's liberal-boner exaggeration is correct. This might be the worst performance in presidential campaign debate history.

McParadigm wrote:He got so flustered talking about the cyber that he never even noticed the opportunity to talk about email server security. The number of baffling wet farts he dropped out was amazing.

It's possible that, for once, HuffPo's liberal-boner exaggeration is correct. This might be the worst performance in presidential campaign debate history.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/fe ... me-w442192

"Trump had one job to do"

Fox:

The Drudge Report online vote had 80 percent of respondents giving the victory to Trump, and a Time.com survey had the Republican nominee leading Clinton by 4 percentage points – 52 percent to 48 percent – after more than 1,300,000 votes were cast. CNBC and Breitbart votes also had Trump winning the event, at New York’s Hofstra University.

A Fox News online vote had Trump winning with 50 percent of respondents, Clinton at 35 percent and the other 15 percent declaring no one won.

Dev wrote:

theplatypus wrote:I'm gonna call this debate for HRC. It started out kind of iffy but she ended up dominating. Trump really blew it on the second half, took every bait, and then made some really confusing choices in his answers.

this is the same impression relayed by most of the media, but I thought Hillary crushed him from the beginning. His arguments were laughable and he simply lost the debate on pretty much every point.
I feel like I am being pretty objective, too, because I am a huge devil's advocate. and was willing to give Trump an honest chance.

I think you're right if you look at it from the point of view of sound arguments and accuracy. When I say that he was being effective in the first 20 minutes it was more about command of the stage, dominating the exchange, and conveying the anger that will resonate with his audience and cause them to go out and vote. Hillary started off kind of meekly and saying things like "go to my website! Fact-checkers, get to work!", which wasn't really rallying her base or winning over any hearts or minds. She turned it around and exposed his pettiness and lack of knowledge, but it looked bad there for a few minutes.

McParadigm wrote:Fox:

The Drudge Report online vote had 80 percent of respondents giving the victory to Trump, and a Time.com survey had the Republican nominee leading Clinton by 4 percentage points – 52 percent to 48 percent – after more than 1,300,000 votes were cast. CNBC and Breitbart votes also had Trump winning the event, at New York’s Hofstra University.

A Fox News online vote had Trump winning with 50 percent of respondents, Clinton at 35 percent and the other 15 percent declaring no one won.

I hate that either team is pretending that online polls mean anything.

McParadigm wrote:Fox:

The Drudge Report online vote had 80 percent of respondents giving the victory to Trump, and a Time.com survey had the Republican nominee leading Clinton by 4 percentage points – 52 percent to 48 percent – after more than 1,300,000 votes were cast. CNBC and Breitbart votes also had Trump winning the event, at New York’s Hofstra University.

A Fox News online vote had Trump winning with 50 percent of respondents, Clinton at 35 percent and the other 15 percent declaring no one won.

Terrifyingly, most online polls claim Trump "won". It aint just Fox.

She also lost the Dilbert vote.

What is happening to reality?!?