Red Mosquito

Probably going to cross over 100,000 US fatalities today.

Mickey wrote:In a high-density area of Philly, if a runner is going down the sidewalk they're bound to pass right by a number of pedestrians, any of whom could be high risk--so the point of the mask would be to protect those people from any unanticipated cough/sneeze/etc.

If you’re high risk and not straying the fuck at home, you’d have to be an idiot to leave your house without an N95 or higher PPE. Expecting others to care more about your health than you do is asinine.

surfndestroy wrote:

Mickey wrote:In a high-density area of Philly, if a runner is going down the sidewalk they're bound to pass right by a number of pedestrians, any of whom could be high risk--so the point of the mask would be to protect those people from any unanticipated cough/sneeze/etc.

If you’re high risk and not straying the fuck at home, you’d have to be an idiot to leave your house without an N95 or higher PPE. Expecting others to care more about your health than you do is asinine.

Take your individualism and personal responsibility and shove it you rube!!!

Alternative story: runner who is mostly healthy contracts it while on his run from another stranger otherwise healthy and stops at the store and passes it on to others who are otherwise healthy and they move on showing no symptoms ends up giving it to someone at home who has been taking care of themselves Because they have underlying conditions and end up dying

And alllll of those people walking around exhibiting their god given freedoms and liberties not showing any symptoms are spreading it like wildfire and on and on and on and on.

Conservatism forgot long ago that compassion IS a “personal responsibility.” They invoke the term purely as a means of deflecting expectations of goodwill.

Strat wrote:Alternative story: runner who is mostly healthy contracts it while on his run from another stranger otherwise healthy and stops at the store and passes it on to others who are otherwise healthy and they move on showing no symptoms ends up giving it to someone at home who has been taking care of themselves Because they have underlying conditions and end up dying

You do realize the stranger you say is healthy but has Covid is not healthy. I think you need. A better definition of healthy.

Masks when you are inside and social distancing is not possible are a great idea. That has nothing to do with masks in outdoor places, where social distancing is maintained at nearly all times. Nor does it take away from the personal responsibility that high risk people should be taking to maintain their own health.

It never has been all one or the other.

McParadigm wrote:Conservatism forgot long ago that compassion IS a “personal responsibility.” They invoke the term purely as a means of deflecting expectations of goodwill.

If the expectation is goodwill, it is not goodwill but an expectation.

Being lectured from Americans on your happy 100K Death Day is rich. Canada is doing fine, especially the area I live. Possibly because we know it’s not all one or the other.

surfndestroy wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Conservatism forgot long ago that compassion IS a “personal responsibility.” They invoke the term purely as a means of deflecting expectations of goodwill.

If the expectation is goodwill, it is not goodwill but an expectation.

Equating expectations of human decency with the oppressive weight of an enforced obligation is pretty on brand tbh

surfndestroy wrote:

Mickey wrote:In a high-density area of Philly, if a runner is going down the sidewalk they're bound to pass right by a number of pedestrians, any of whom could be high risk--so the point of the mask would be to protect those people from any unanticipated cough/sneeze/etc.

If you’re high risk and not straying the fuck at home, you’d have to be an idiot to leave your house without an N95 or higher PPE. Expecting others to care more about your health than you do is asinine.

Problem one would be that you don't seem to know how masks work--they primarily serve to keep particles *in*, not *out*. When you wear a mask, you are doing your part to protect others from anything *you* have.

But more to this direct issue: some people are high risk precisely because they have underlying medical conditions, for which they need medication, for which they need to walk down the sidewalk and go to the pharmacy. Or, perhaps, they have asthma, but they also have dogs who need to be walked three times a day. Absolutely no one *needs* to run. Leaving the sidewalk free by running in the streets or walking over to the nearby park would be a simple, common decency you could afford your neighbors. Or, you could wear a mask while running. Three great options here!

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mickey wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mickey wrote:

B wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:I don't really see the point of wearing a mask outside during exercise if I can keep my distance from people.

I don't wear one while running, but they were mashed in for a selfie.

Probably should depend on where you're running. We live in a high-density area of Philly, so if a runner is going down the sidewalk (which they shouldn't be, but whatever!) they're bound to pass right by a number of pedestrians, any of whom could be high risk--so the point of the mask would be to protect those people from any unanticipated cough/sneeze/etc. But if you're running in the park (which is literally five blocks away) a mask seems pretty unnecessary.

Wait, why shouldn't they be?

SideWALK.

Oh brother

To be clear, talking about my specific, more or less residential neighborhood made up of one-way streets and which directly borders on one of the largest urban parks in the country.

Mickey wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Mickey wrote:In a high-density area of Philly, if a runner is going down the sidewalk they're bound to pass right by a number of pedestrians, any of whom could be high risk--so the point of the mask would be to protect those people from any unanticipated cough/sneeze/etc.

If you’re high risk and not straying the fuck at home, you’d have to be an idiot to leave your house without an N95 or higher PPE. Expecting others to care more about your health than you do is asinine.

Problem one would be that you don't seem to know how masks work--they primarily serve to keep particles *in*, not *out*. When you wear a mask, you are doing your part to protect others from anything *you* have.

But more to this direct issue: some people are high risk precisely because they have underlying medical conditions, for which they need medication, for which they need to walk down the sidewalk and go to the pharmacy. Or, perhaps, they have asthma, but they also have dogs who need to be walked three times a day. Absolutely no one *needs* to run. Leaving the sidewalk free by running in the streets or walking over to the nearby park would be a simple, common decency you could afford your neighbors. Or, you could wear a mask while running. Three great options here!

I think you are unfamiliar with N95 and higher grade PPE. Wikipedia has a great, informative article on them.
Home delivery is available for high risk people. Dog walking services as well. Two great options here.
Taking care of yourself versus expecting others to take care of you under the guise of goodwill. Let me know which is more effective.
I’m a pretty practical person. Shaming people into wearing masks outdoors is a hard sell. Legislating it even harder. Addressing a message to high risk people informing them that there are pretty effective protective measures they can take should they feel the need to not stay at home is most likely much more effective.
I can see how our country is doing versus yours, and I can see which is a more effective strategy.

So just to be clear, you are arguing that anyone with a high-risk condition needs to stay permanently in their house in a high-density area, making it incumbent on them to pay extra for home care services, so that joggers can be free to use the sidewalk without a mask, rather than any of the three options outlined above (wear a mask, jog in the street, go to the park less than a mile away)? Very reasonable and practical my man!

SurfnDESTORYSliberals indeed.

Mickey wrote:So just to be clear, you are arguing that anyone with a high-risk condition needs to stay permanently in their house in a high-density area, making it incumbent on them to pay extra for home care services, so that joggers can be free to use the sidewalk without a mask, rather than any of the three options outlined above (wear a mask, jog in the street, go to the park less than a mile away)? Very reasonable and practical my man!

And that explains you celebrating Happy 100K Death Day and Canada is not. Enjoy and celebrate your reasonable and practical ways.

Mickey wrote:SurfnDESTORYSliberals indeed.

Here I was thinking I was only destroying the old and high risk people. Thanks for the compliment. Continue celebrating Happy 100K Death Day.

surfndestroy wrote:

Mickey wrote:So just to be clear, you are arguing that anyone with a high-risk condition needs to stay permanently in their house in a high-density area, making it incumbent on them to pay extra for home care services, so that joggers can be free to use the sidewalk without a mask, rather than any of the three options outlined above (wear a mask, jog in the street, go to the park less than a mile away)? Very reasonable and practical my man!

And that explains you celebrating Happy 100K Death Day and Canada is not. Enjoy and celebrate your reasonable and practical ways.

You are aware that...the population of the United States...is significantly higher than the population of Canada, correct? And that there are a number of intervening factors that have nothing to do with whether or not joggers are entitled to sidewalk space in high-density urban areas?

Maybe stick to posting about your kid's NASA band and leave this thread to the adults.