Red Mosquito

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:The shift in theme in Book 4 is my favorite thing about the entire series. The feminist stuff is phenomenal. Placing women in serious positions of power and/or the attempted hindrance thereof and what that speaks to in the larger spectrum is what I really responded to in that book.

So cutting Asha and the QUEENSmoot neuters a god part of that. I also doubt they'll handle Myrcella and Sarella appropriately. Which is a bummer. Again, I get that you can't fit all that stuff into a limited run TV show. But that stuff is so powerful. And it's one of the major things that sets Martin's story apart in all of fantasy fiction.

but with the women trying to assume power all pretty much failing at doing so, exactly how pro-women is that?

That's a huge part of the point of the whole thing. And it's all setting up what I believe/hope is the eventual endgame.

Mecca wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:The Iron Island lore is much more interesting than the Iron Islands storylines--at least for now. I feel like the Kingsmoot was less dramatically engaging than it could've been because we didn't yet know all of the characters very well. If it happens again--like if Theon makes a claim somehow, or if Asha gets new backing and support--I'd be more invested. Also, I feel like we haven't heard the end of Balon's death.

"I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings."

Euron Greyjoy hired a faceless man

Oh, agreed. But I assume it'll come back around one way or another.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:The shift in theme in Book 4 is my favorite thing about the entire series. The feminist stuff is phenomenal. Placing women in serious positions of power and/or the attempted hindrance thereof and what that speaks to in the larger spectrum is what I really responded to in that book.

So cutting Asha and the QUEENSmoot neuters a god part of that. I also doubt they'll handle Myrcella and Sarella appropriately. Which is a bummer. Again, I get that you can't fit all that stuff into a limited run TV show. But that stuff is so powerful. And it's one of the major things that sets Martin's story apart in all of fantasy fiction.

but with the women trying to assume power all pretty much failing at doing so, exactly how pro-women is that?

That's a huge part of the point of the whole thing. And it's all setting up what I believe/hope is the eventual endgame.

Dany on the throne?

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:The shift in theme in Book 4 is my favorite thing about the entire series. The feminist stuff is phenomenal. Placing women in serious positions of power and/or the attempted hindrance thereof and what that speaks to in the larger spectrum is what I really responded to in that book.

So cutting Asha and the QUEENSmoot neuters a god part of that. I also doubt they'll handle Myrcella and Sarella appropriately. Which is a bummer. Again, I get that you can't fit all that stuff into a limited run TV show. But that stuff is so powerful. And it's one of the major things that sets Martin's story apart in all of fantasy fiction.

but with the women trying to assume power all pretty much failing at doing so, exactly how pro-women is that?

That's a huge part of the point of the whole thing. And it's all setting up what I believe/hope is the eventual endgame.

Dany on the throne?

One small part. But I'm not sure that's the end.

Do we want to take bets on who will be alive/who will be dead once all the books are over? And who will be in what positions?

Jon - alive, sitting the Iron Throne
Dany - dead, along with her dragons
Tyrion - alive, Hand of the King
Bran - alive-ish, underground in the north
Rickon - alive, Lord of Winterfell
Sam - dead
Jorah and Selmy - dead and dead
Stannis the Mannis - alive, Lord of Storm's End
Melisandre - dead
All Greyjoys but Asha - dead
Arya - alive, but faceless
Sansa - alive, possibly Lady of the Riverlands
Littlefinger - dead
Brienne - alive, but alone and bannerless
Jaime - dead
Tommen - alive, Lord of Casterly Rock
Podd - alive, screwing some tavern wenches
Myrecella - alive, Queen of Dorne
Hodor - Hodor

Who am I missing? Lots, I'm sure.

I'm pretty sure the endgame is everyone dies and the white walkers take over

There's going to be a big culling at the end of Book 6, I'm sure.

I just want to read book 6 right the fuck now.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I just want to read book 6 right the fuck now.

Is there any more to the rumor Martin is working to release it this fall?

Martin has alluded to this story as not your typical type of story. If anything I think the series ends with a continuation of the game of thrones being a never-ending cycle. There will be some sort of closure, I bet, but I feel like it will be the type of ending that leaves people disappointed because of their own expectations.

Like, lets say Dany gets the throne, then she has to lead, deal with the problems that arise, have heirs, die, then her heirs do the same and valar morghulis.

Mecca wrote:Martin has alluded to this story as not your typical type of story. If anything I think the series ends with a continuation of the game of thrones being a never-ending cycle. There will be some sort of closure, I bet, but I feel like it will be the type of ending that leaves people disappointed because of their own expectations.

Like, lets say Dany gets the throne, then she has to lead, deal with the problems that arise, have heirs, die, then her heirs do the same and valar morghulis.

This is probably the most likely scenario. The game never ends, only the players change.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:Martin has alluded to this story as not your typical type of story. If anything I think the series ends with a continuation of the game of thrones being a never-ending cycle. There will be some sort of closure, I bet, but I feel like it will be the type of ending that leaves people disappointed because of their own expectations.

Like, lets say Dany gets the throne, then she has to lead, deal with the problems that arise, have heirs, die, then her heirs do the same and valar morghulis.

This is probably the most likely scenario. The game never ends, only the players change.

Myself, I'm rooting for an entire reset. I'd love to see Danny swoop in, take the throne, and then with the help of the potential invading Queens realize it's all so fucking stupid. They all team up to take down the White Walkers and disband the Iron Throne.

I'd fucking love it if there are no longer seven kingdoms by the end. No throne.

Yeah, I'd love an ending that makes the 7 kingdoms back into 7 actual kingdoms.

durdencommatyler wrote:Myself, I'm rooting for an entire reset. I'd love to see Danny swoop in, take the throne, and then with the help of the potential invading Queens realize it's all so fucking stupid. They all team up to take down the White Walkers and disband the Iron Throne.

I'd fucking love it if there are no longer seven kingdoms by the end. No throne.

if there was no throne, wouldn't the regions revert back to 7 kingdoms?

cutuphalfdead wrote:Yeah, I'd love an ending that makes the 7 kingdoms back into 7 actual kingdoms.

Yeah, I'd be into that. And it makes more sense than my hippy-dippy "there are no rulers, man, we're all freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" thing.

So, yeah. Ultimately that. But with a lot women kicking all the ass.

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Myself, I'm rooting for an entire reset. I'd love to see Danny swoop in, take the throne, and then with the help of the potential invading Queens realize it's all so fucking stupid. They all team up to take down the White Walkers and disband the Iron Throne.

I'd fucking love it if there are no longer seven kingdoms by the end. No throne.

if there was no throne, wouldn't the regions revert back to 7 kingdoms?

See above post.

So Cersei gets locked up tonight, yeah?

cutuphalfdead wrote:So Cersei gets locked up tonight, yeah?

I feel like we need more than 1 episode to introduce the High Sparrow, have the old High Septon die, have the High Sparrow installed, and then have Cersei arrested. I'm thinking she gets locked up around episode 6, walk of shame episode 8, ep 10 is the trial by combat cliffhanger.

Super excited that we've got no idea what's going to happen with Sansa in Winterfell. My best guess: Reek frees her.