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Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 1:08 pm
by wease
The Argonaut wrote:Bammer wrote:Yeah wease you’re too good for this shit and you need to get the f outta there before it gives you a heart attack or something
wease, what is your dream job? Please don't say recruiting or personnel management
Both of those are as low on the pole as possible.
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 2:46 pm
by Chris_H_2
The Argonaut wrote:Not paying them out their PTO is theft and they should sue you
The Argonaut wrote:I'm sure it's legal (ugh), but it's horrid.
This was quite a ride …
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 2:49 pm
by The Argonaut
Chris_H_2 wrote:The Argonaut wrote:Not paying them out their PTO is theft and they should sue you
The Argonaut wrote:I'm sure it's legal (ugh), but it's horrid.
This was quite a ride …
Maybe I'll lose the lawsuit but I'll at least make you feel and look bad on the way. It's the journey, not the destination
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 3:09 pm
by Ello Sailor
Asher Brockovich going for the jugular.
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 4:00 pm
by Peeps
itll take a good 2-4 years for the culture to change for the better
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 6:07 pm
by bodysnatcher
or one pizza party
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 6:16 pm
by The Argonaut
This should be considered an unalienable right. Our creator endowed us with this at birth
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultu ... un-at-work
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 6:39 pm
by bodysnatcher
Someone has a case of the Fridays
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 6:41 pm
by spike
bodysnatcher wrote:or one pizza party

Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 8:17 pm
by dad
wease wrote:The Argonaut wrote:Not paying them out their PTO is theft and they should sue you. Your contact says you need to give 30 days notice? That's bullshit.
Man, I hate wease's office. No offense, wease, but jesus
It’s not theft if they sign the agreement upon employment.
got him.
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 8:22 pm
by The Argonaut
It's still rather shitty, regardless. 30 days notice is really a lot to ask. The company is setting itself up to almost never have to pay people for time they earned but didn't use. Especially if it is not made clear to employees beforehand (as was the case here).
"But that's the rule" is the weakest possible response to a charge of cruelty
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 8:40 pm
by spike
is there a librarians union, argo?
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 8:44 pm
by The Argonaut
Most librarians and library workers are either government or university employees, so I think it's safe to say that most are in unions, yeah.
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 8:47 pm
by tragabigzanda
Carl Sandburg wrote:There is a wolf in me . . . fangs pointed for tearing gashes . . . a red tongue for raw meat . . . and the hot lapping of blood—I keep this wolf because the wilderness gave it to me and the wilderness will not let it go.
There is a fox in me . . . a silver-gray fox . . . I sniff and guess . . . I pick things out of the wind and air . . . I nose in the dark night and take sleepers and eat them and hide the feathers . . . I circle and loop and double-cross.
There is a hog in me . . . a snout and a belly . . . a machinery for eating and grunting . . . a machinery for sleeping satisfied in the sun—I got this too from the wilderness and the wilderness will not let it go.
There is a fish in me . . . I know I came from salt-blue water-gates . . . I scurried with shoals of herring . . . I blew waterspouts with porpoises . . . before land was . . . before the water went down . . . before Noah . . . before the first chapter of Genesis.
There is a baboon in me . . . clambering-clawed . . . dog-faced . . . yawping a galoot's hunger . . . hairy under the armpits . . . here are the hawk-eyed hankering men . . . here are the blonde and blue-eyed women . . . here they hide curled asleep waiting . . . ready to snarl and kill . . . ready to sing and give milk . . . waiting—I keep the baboon because the wilderness says so.
There is an eagle in me and a mockingbird . . . and the eagle flies among the Rocky Mountains of my dreams and fights among the Sierra crags of what I want . . . and the mockingbird warbles in the early forenoon before the dew is gone, warbles in the underbrush of my Chattanoogas of hope, gushes over the blue Ozark foothills of my wishes—And I got the eagle and the mockingbird from the wilderness.
O, I got a zoo, I got a menagerie, inside my ribs, under my bony head, under my red-valve heart—and I got something else: it is a man-child heart, a woman-child heart: it is a father and mother and lover: it came from God-Knows-Where: it is going to God-Knows-Where—For I am the keeper of the zoo: I say yes and no: I sing and kill and work: I am a pal of the world: I came from the wilderness.
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 8:53 pm
by dad
this thread is so divisive.
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 8:54 pm
by wease
The Argonaut wrote:It's still rather shitty, regardless. 30 days notice is really a lot to ask. The company is setting itself up to almost never have to pay people for time they earned but didn't use. Especially if it is not made clear to employees beforehand (as was the case here).
"But that's the rule" is the weakest possible response to a charge of cruelty
The 30-day notice is for management positions and is pretty standard. For providers, most everywhere requires a 90-day notice because the hiring process takes so long for them. For everyone else we only require a 2-week notice. And if you want your PTO paid out, you gotta work out your notice. It’s not really that unreasonable.
And it is made clear to the employees. They just choose to either not remember it or ignore it. This person was told when she accepted her promotion. I know because I’m the one that promoted her and went over everything with her. She still expected it to be paid out. Not my fault she only gave a week’s notice.
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 8:56 pm
by tragabigzanda
Carl Sandburg wrote:There is a wolf in me . . . fangs pointed for tearing gashes . . . a red tongue for raw meat . . . and the hot lapping of blood—I keep this wolf because the wilderness gave it to me and the wilderness will not let it go.
There is a fox in me . . . a silver-gray fox . . . I sniff and guess . . . I pick things out of the wind and air . . . I nose in the dark night and take sleepers and eat them and hide the feathers . . . I circle and loop and double-cross.
There is a hog in me . . . a snout and a belly . . . a machinery for eating and grunting . . . a machinery for sleeping satisfied in the sun—I got this too from the wilderness and the wilderness will not let it go.
There is a fish in me . . . I know I came from salt-blue water-gates . . . I scurried with shoals of herring . . . I blew waterspouts with porpoises . . . before land was . . . before the water went down . . . before Noah . . . before the first chapter of Genesis.
There is a baboon in me . . . clambering-clawed . . . dog-faced . . . yawping a galoot's hunger . . . hairy under the armpits . . . here are the hawk-eyed hankering men . . . here are the blonde and blue-eyed women . . . here they hide curled asleep waiting . . . ready to snarl and kill . . . ready to sing and give milk . . . waiting—I keep the baboon because the wilderness says so.
There is an eagle in me and a mockingbird . . . and the eagle flies among the Rocky Mountains of my dreams and fights among the Sierra crags of what I want . . . and the mockingbird warbles in the early forenoon before the dew is gone, warbles in the underbrush of my Chattanoogas of hope, gushes over the blue Ozark foothills of my wishes—And I got the eagle and the mockingbird from the wilderness.
O, I got a zoo, I got a menagerie, inside my ribs, under my bony head, under my red-valve heart—and I got something else: it is a man-child heart, a woman-child heart: it is a father and mother and lover: it came from God-Knows-Where: it is going to God-Knows-Where—For I am the keeper of the zoo: I say yes and no: I sing and kill and work: I am a pal of the world: I came from the wilderness.
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 9:00 pm
by dad
why do you all make wease explain himself?
show me a time on this board when he's been so unreasonable his character needed to be called into question--firing a pregnant woman does not count.
have you ever stepped into a role at work or elsewhere where you had to make sweeping changes because things weren't working out?
get ahold of yourselves.
sheesh.
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 9:10 pm
by tragabigzanda
Carl Sandburg wrote:There is a wolf in me . . . fangs pointed for tearing gashes . . . a red tongue for raw meat . . . and the hot lapping of blood—I keep this wolf because the wilderness gave it to me and the wilderness will not let it go.
There is a fox in me . . . a silver-gray fox . . . I sniff and guess . . . I pick things out of the wind and air . . . I nose in the dark night and take sleepers and eat them and hide the feathers . . . I circle and loop and double-cross.
There is a hog in me . . . a snout and a belly . . . a machinery for eating and grunting . . . a machinery for sleeping satisfied in the sun—I got this too from the wilderness and the wilderness will not let it go.
There is a fish in me . . . I know I came from salt-blue water-gates . . . I scurried with shoals of herring . . . I blew waterspouts with porpoises . . . before land was . . . before the water went down . . . before Noah . . . before the first chapter of Genesis.
There is a baboon in me . . . clambering-clawed . . . dog-faced . . . yawping a galoot's hunger . . . hairy under the armpits . . . here are the hawk-eyed hankering men . . . here are the blonde and blue-eyed women . . . here they hide curled asleep waiting . . . ready to snarl and kill . . . ready to sing and give milk . . . waiting—I keep the baboon because the wilderness says so.
There is an eagle in me and a mockingbird . . . and the eagle flies among the Rocky Mountains of my dreams and fights among the Sierra crags of what I want . . . and the mockingbird warbles in the early forenoon before the dew is gone, warbles in the underbrush of my Chattanoogas of hope, gushes over the blue Ozark foothills of my wishes—And I got the eagle and the mockingbird from the wilderness.
O, I got a zoo, I got a menagerie, inside my ribs, under my bony head, under my red-valve heart—and I got something else: it is a man-child heart, a woman-child heart: it is a father and mother and lover: it came from God-Knows-Where: it is going to God-Knows-Where—For I am the keeper of the zoo: I say yes and no: I sing and kill and work: I am a pal of the world: I came from the wilderness.
Re: The New & Unproved Work/Job/Career Thread
Posted: Fri January 20, 2023 9:19 pm
by bart
dad wrote:why do you all make wease explain himself?
show me a time on this board when he's been so unreasonable his character needed to be called into question--firing a pregnant woman does not count.
have you ever stepped into a role at work or elsewhere where you had to make sweeping changes because things weren't working out?
get ahold of yourselves.
sheesh.
What sweeping changes are you talking about? Waiting until people quit and then complaining about it?