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epilogue wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

RockPusher wrote:Has anyone heard the Waiting for Stevie that they did with Watt in NY? Curious if having the extra guitar added much to it...

Must've been a thrill to play the song with its original writer.

Why does that bother you so much?

he is just tragging us

epilogue wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

RockPusher wrote:Has anyone heard the Waiting for Stevie that they did with Watt in NY? Curious if having the extra guitar added much to it...

Must've been a thrill to play the song with its original writer.

Why does that bother you so much?

I think I'll be making jokes about Watt writing Waiting for Stevie from now until eternity.

It's kind of meant to be a light-hearted joke, but at the same time:

a. It's a pretty terrible song.
b. Watt had a huge hand in writing it.
c. The band/Ed fudged around with the story of the song's creation.
d. It seemed as though they did so because of some level of discomfort with admitting Watt co-wrote the song.
e. Mike thought it was written by either Stone or Jeff, which is amusing.
f. This album cycle has been pretty disappointing, particularly following Gigaton.
g. Josh Klinghoffer killed a guy.

you do you, my guy.

see? just traggin´ us


Keep on traggin

Birds in Hell wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

RockPusher wrote:Has anyone heard the Waiting for Stevie that they did with Watt in NY? Curious if having the extra guitar added much to it...

Must've been a thrill to play the song with its original writer.

Why does that bother you so much?

I think I'll be making jokes about Watt writing Waiting for Stevie from now until eternity.

It's kind of meant to be a light-hearted joke, but at the same time:

a. It's a pretty terrible song.
b. Watt had a huge hand in writing it.
c. The band/Ed fudged around with the story of the song's creation.
d. It seemed as though they did so because of some level of discomfort with admitting Watt co-wrote the song.
e. Mike thought it was written by either Stone or Jeff, which is amusing.
f. This album cycle has been pretty disappointing, particularly following Gigaton.
g. Josh Klinghoffer killed a guy.

I'm just going to address the clear factual errors:

a. Using advanced RM metrics shows us this is not the case.
d. If they had any discomfort admitting Watt co-wrote any of the songs, they wouldn't have given him a co-writing credit for all the music on the entire album.

RockPusher wrote:If they had any discomfort admitting Watt co-wrote any of the songs, they wouldn't have given him a co-writing credit for all the music on the entire album.

I think it's more that the song was cooked up by Watt during sessions for Ed's solo record and only later shoehorned into being a Pearl Jam song.

Birds in Hell wrote:

RockPusher wrote:If they had any discomfort admitting Watt co-wrote any of the songs, they wouldn't have given him a co-writing credit for all the music on the entire album.

I think it's more that the song was cooked up by Watt during sessions for Ed's solo record and only later shoehorned into being a Pearl Jam song.

This is silliness. The song wouldn't be a song without Jeff's monster bassline, the balls-to-the-wall drumming by Matt, and the guitar godding by Stone and Mike, the latter of which has kind of a late career maestro moment on this track for the final 90 seconds. If you want to call that shoehorning, then that's you. I'm happy to call it Pearl Jam and classic Pearl Jam at that.

I love that.

stip wrote:

Jaeti wrote:

epilogue wrote:I genuinely love how much you love this song, stip.

Likewise. stip, you posted in the last week or so that it's cracked your top 10, yeah?

probably. As per some stuff McP said elsewhere recently, it's hard to figure out what a top ten means anymore, but it would likely be there

Fair. I saw that comment too and nodded in agreement.

I don’t understand what that means.

This song is a high water mark for the band and the first song that has splashed as high as the Ten classics.

I guess I just don't read as much about the band as I used to... when people are talking about lying or retconning the song's origin, what are you talking about exactly? Point me toward a link or something. I don't know this whole story.

Lots of projection going on in here

epilogue wrote:I guess I just don't read as much about the band as I used to... when people are talking about lying or retconning the song's origin, what are you talking about exactly? Point me toward a link or something. I don't know this whole story.

Strat is right. But a story was told about Eddie and Mike swapping riffs during the making of Earthlings that became the foundation of WFS.

stip wrote:

epilogue wrote:I guess I just don't read as much about the band as I used to... when people are talking about lying or retconning the song's origin, what are you talking about exactly? Point me toward a link or something. I don't know this whole story.

Strat is right. But a story was told about Eddie and Mike swapping riffs during the making of Earthlings that became the foundation of WFS.

Okay, cool. I'd heard that story.

It's just the rest of it that's news to me. What are the further details? What makes it a retcon? Or why is it such a problem that Pearl Jam recorded it? And when did they lie about who wrote it?

stip wrote:

epilogue wrote:I guess I just don't read as much about the band as I used to... when people are talking about lying or retconning the song's origin, what are you talking about exactly? Point me toward a link or something. I don't know this whole story.

Strat is right. But a story was told about Eddie and Mike swapping riffs during the making of Earthlings that became the foundation of WFS.

*andrew

Story was told on Stern if i remember. And it was basically Andrew played a riff, that reminded Ed of a riff he had, so they played, figured something out and that was the foundation for WFS.

Beyond that, nobody knows what either sounded like, what else was written with the band in the studio, or how much of anything or something.

Those stories don't sound mutually exclusive to me. Actually, I'm not sure how they don't work in concert. I guess I'd have to hear the full original context. But, to me, it sounds like Ed's saying he heard Watt playing a riff the reminded him of something he'd been playing with for years. Which doesn't seem that weird.

This stuff happens all the time, though. People hear/read things differently. There was some podcast interview earlier that I remember people saying "oh man Ed said xyz" and then I listened to it myself and I was like, nah, that's not what he said at all. Or that's not how I understood it. People interpret these things in different ways.

The whole WFS thing is something that RM made up, not a real thing