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Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 3:02 pm
by evenslow
griffinxi wrote:harmless wrote:griffinxi wrote:"Plodding. Very little guitar. Keyboard. Why bother?"
= a lot of people's reactions to Infallible.
Fair enough. One possibility I am open to is that when Tremor Christ came out, that just wasn't the sound I wanted out of this band; many albums later, my expectations have fallen away somewhat and I am just more willing to appreciate things as they come.
Still, I maintain that Tremor Christ does not really change much for its duration; it might intensify, rise and abate, but it doesn't really "travel" anywhere. In other words, if you don't dig that initial vibe, you're unlikely to change your opinion, whereas w/ Infallible there are different entry points to the song.
This is actually why I think Infallible wouldn't be much of a single. Hearing it live made me realize how "same-y" it is throughout, regardless of the chorus. It's not designed to grab you by the lapels at any point. And I wear lapels a lot.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 3:09 pm
by griffinxi
evenslow wrote:griffinxi wrote:harmless wrote:griffinxi wrote:"Plodding. Very little guitar. Keyboard. Why bother?"
= a lot of people's reactions to Infallible.
Fair enough. One possibility I am open to is that when Tremor Christ came out, that just wasn't the sound I wanted out of this band; many albums later, my expectations have fallen away somewhat and I am just more willing to appreciate things as they come.
Still, I maintain that Tremor Christ does not really change much for its duration; it might intensify, rise and abate, but it doesn't really "travel" anywhere. In other words, if you don't dig that initial vibe, you're unlikely to change your opinion, whereas w/ Infallible there are different entry points to the song.
This is actually why I think Infallible wouldn't be much of a single. Hearing it live made me realize how "same-y" it is throughout, regardless of the chorus. It's not designed to grab you by the lapels at any point. And I wear lapels a lot.
Well, I do agree that there's no lapel-grabbing happening during the song; it's same-y in the sense that it doesn't go sky-high, although there is a nice vocal shift in the latter half where Ed goes into a higher register (or is it a higher key?) that's cool, but it's not earth shaking. When Tremor Christ goes big, it's still on the same wavelength as the entire rest of the song-- it's just bigger.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 3:18 pm
by harmless
I wish this song had a "second chorus", a la the "What are you running from?" in ATY, to replace the yeah yeah yeah near the end. It could really break into a new section for that part of the song but doesn't. If it did another unexpected change there, maybe the chorus might just seem more weirdly unexpected in a good way.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 3:24 pm
by McParadigm
The "What are you running from" section is just the verse again, with everyone but Stone Beatling it up a bit.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 3:25 pm
by harmless
Yeah I know, musically it's a verse, but the lyrics and melody are doing something different. Maybe that's what I want, mostly. Some new kind of refrain. The yeah yeah just isn't beefy enough for what's underneath it.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 3:29 pm
by McParadigm
harmless wrote:Yeah I know, musically it's a verse, but the lyrics and melody are doing something different. Maybe that's what I want, mostly. Some new kind of refrain. The yeah yeah just isn't beefy enough for what's underneath it.
I actually knew what you meant, but was having sort of an impulse control issue just now.
It was probably horrifying to see it play out in real time.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 3:44 pm
by harmless
I get that all the time. "Ugh, must clarify, make sure poster is being accurate."
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 5:43 pm
by stip
evenslow wrote:griffinxi wrote:harmless wrote:griffinxi wrote:"Plodding. Very little guitar. Keyboard. Why bother?"
= a lot of people's reactions to Infallible.
Fair enough. One possibility I am open to is that when Tremor Christ came out, that just wasn't the sound I wanted out of this band; many albums later, my expectations have fallen away somewhat and I am just more willing to appreciate things as they come.
Still, I maintain that Tremor Christ does not really change much for its duration; it might intensify, rise and abate, but it doesn't really "travel" anywhere. In other words, if you don't dig that initial vibe, you're unlikely to change your opinion, whereas w/ Infallible there are different entry points to the song.
This is actually why I think Infallible wouldn't be much of a single. Hearing it live made me realize how "same-y" it is throughout, regardless of the chorus. It's not designed to grab you by the lapels at any point. And I wear lapels a lot.
well you make them look pretty fabulous
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 5:57 pm
by evenslow
stip wrote:evenslow wrote:griffinxi wrote:harmless wrote:griffinxi wrote:"Plodding. Very little guitar. Keyboard. Why bother?"
= a lot of people's reactions to Infallible.
Fair enough. One possibility I am open to is that when Tremor Christ came out, that just wasn't the sound I wanted out of this band; many albums later, my expectations have fallen away somewhat and I am just more willing to appreciate things as they come.
Still, I maintain that Tremor Christ does not really change much for its duration; it might intensify, rise and abate, but it doesn't really "travel" anywhere. In other words, if you don't dig that initial vibe, you're unlikely to change your opinion, whereas w/ Infallible there are different entry points to the song.
This is actually why I think Infallible wouldn't be much of a single. Hearing it live made me realize how "same-y" it is throughout, regardless of the chorus. It's not designed to grab you by the lapels at any point. And I wear lapels a lot.
well you make them look pretty fabulous
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Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 6:43 pm
by Leatherhead
What song does the chorus of infallible remind me of? I don't know it, but I know there's a song, maybe two.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 6:56 pm
by numbers
Leatherhead wrote:What song does the chorus of infallible remind me of? I don't know it, but I know there's a song, maybe two.
I've been thinking the same thing, and cant figure out what it is either.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 7:07 pm
by warehouse
numbers wrote:Leatherhead wrote:What song does the chorus of infallible remind me of? I don't know it, but I know there's a song, maybe two.
I've been thinking the same thing, and cant figure out what it is either.
people have said everything from mo town to avril leveighn...it could be any song
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 7:07 pm
by harmless
Christina Aguilera "Beautiful" and Procol Harum "Whiter Shade of Pale."
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 7:08 pm
by Jorge
harmless wrote: Procol Harum "Whiter Shade of Pale."
I have a hard time hearing this one.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 7:09 pm
by stip
me too. I only heard the song once, but I listened to it specifically for that connection and didn't see it.
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 7:09 pm
by harmless
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 7:52 pm
by Jorge
stip wrote:me too. I only heard the song once, but I listened to it specifically for that connection and didn't see it.
And then you said that "Infallible" was the better song. What the hell is your problem, anyway?
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 7:55 pm
by Norah
Wait, stip had never heard A Whiter Shade Of Pale before? Am I understanding this right?
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 7:56 pm
by McParadigm
that has to be wrong
Re: Infallible
Posted: Thu October 17, 2013 7:57 pm
by Jorge
cutuphalfdead wrote:Wait, stip had never heard A Whiter Shade Of Pale before? Am I understanding this right?
Well,
to be fair...
