Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 8:48 pm
Red Mosquito
Anybody want a Corona?
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Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 8:51 pm
Uncanny.doug rr wrote:
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 8:52 pm
What about Sweden's death rate though?
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 8:53 pm
It is “significantly lower than the UK’s“.verb_to_trust wrote:What about Sweden's death rate though?
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 8:55 pm
Sweden has around 60 people per square mile. England has 15 times that.PHATJ wrote:It is “significantly lower than the UK’s“.verb_to_trust wrote:What about Sweden's death rate though?
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 8:56 pm
FUCK ICE
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 8:56 pm
That's a relatively small, homogeneous population. You really can't accomplish things in America the same way.PHATJ wrote:On Tuesday, Professor Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College London, whose bleak projections of future deaths from Covid-19 influenced governments around the world to institute massive lockdowns, admitted of Sweden, which did not institute harsh lockdowns, “It is interesting that adopting a policy which is short of a full lockdown – they have closed secondary schools and universities and there is a significant amount of social distancing, but it’s not a full lockdown – they have got quite a long way to the same effect.”
Speaking before a House of Lords Science and Technology Committee, the man who predicted half a million Britons could die from Covid-19 spoke of Sweden, whose 436 people per million mortality rate from the coronavirus is significantly lower than the UK’s 575 people per million. The Daily Mail noted, “As well as fewer deaths, Sweden’s GDP actually grew in the first quarter of 2020, suggesting it might avoid the worst of the economic fallout from the crisis.
There's like 5-10 countries you want to be better than, it seems. Sweden is one, as are the UK & USA.PHATJ wrote:It is “significantly lower than the UK’s“.verb_to_trust wrote:What about Sweden's death rate though?
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 8:57 pm
also its a fact that mayonnaise has taken over ketchup as the number one condiment in the UK
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 9:00 pm
Mayo is way better than ketchup.
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 9:05 pm
The whole point of what Sweden has done was to create a herd immunity; the idea was that you couldn't stop the spread, so you might as well take the hit but you'll come out the other side with a population much less susceptible to infection.
And lo and behold...
And if it's only 7.3% in Stockholm, imagine how low it is in rural and less populated areas. I get why people may have advocated for them at the outset, but to do it now even after everything else doesn't make much sense. That being said, it sure has been a trip to see Sweden, of all places, become the conservative city on a hill.
And lo and behold...
So, in other words, Sweden suffered far more deaths than most other countries in order to end up in the same place everyone else was anyway.Sweden has revealed that despite adopting more relaxed measures to control coronavirus, only 7.3% of people in Stockholm had developed the antibodies needed to fight the disease by late April.
The figure, which Sweden's Public Health Authority confirmed to CNN, is roughly similar to other countries that have data and well below the 70-90% needed to create "herd immunity" in a population.
And if it's only 7.3% in Stockholm, imagine how low it is in rural and less populated areas. I get why people may have advocated for them at the outset, but to do it now even after everything else doesn't make much sense. That being said, it sure has been a trip to see Sweden, of all places, become the conservative city on a hill.
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 9:06 pm
In addition to the obvious population density issue, Sweden, like a lot of other countries, also had the benefit of seeing the early impact of the virus in other countries (like the UK) and responding with social distancing and whatever else they could before things really exploded. Comparing it to the UK makes no sense at all.
If you compare Sweden to countries of similar population density and similar timelines, it's obvious that Sweden's response has had terrible results.
If you compare Sweden to countries of similar population density and similar timelines, it's obvious that Sweden's response has had terrible results.
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 9:11 pm
The only places that are even close to getting herd immunity are places like New York City and London (and even they're far from it). And what's unique about those places? They're the places that got walloped by deaths. Which illustrates the inanity of pursuing herd immunity as a strategy in the first place; if the only way to get to that is mass death, then maybe that's not the best option.
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Tue June 02, 2020 9:20 pm
Sweden has twice our population - 212.76 times the mortality rate and 38,000 times the number of cases. I wouldn't be looking at them as a beacon of hope
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Wed June 03, 2020 6:23 pm
HEALTH OFFICIALS BRACE FOR LIKELY SECOND WAVE OF COVID-19:
Officials from the World Health Organization hold a briefing on the latest developments of the global coronavirus outbreak. As protests continue both across the country and around the world, many epidemiologists are saying these gatherings will almost assure a second wave of outbreaks. This comes as The NY Times reports that early efforts by the CDC to contain the spread of coronavirus failed through a collapse of their system to track and gather data about Americans returning from overseas. Reports suggest that health officials were frequently told to ‘just let [passengers] go’ rather than being screened when they got off flights, creating a flaw in the CDC tracking system. More than 6,000 Americans already have died from COVID-19 just this week.
Officials from the World Health Organization hold a briefing on the latest developments of the global coronavirus outbreak. As protests continue both across the country and around the world, many epidemiologists are saying these gatherings will almost assure a second wave of outbreaks. This comes as The NY Times reports that early efforts by the CDC to contain the spread of coronavirus failed through a collapse of their system to track and gather data about Americans returning from overseas. Reports suggest that health officials were frequently told to ‘just let [passengers] go’ rather than being screened when they got off flights, creating a flaw in the CDC tracking system. More than 6,000 Americans already have died from COVID-19 just this week.
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Wed June 03, 2020 6:26 pm
But protesting is outside and the protesters wear bandanas around their necks!!
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Wed June 03, 2020 8:12 pm
You've posted this in at least 2 threads. Do you think anyone is arguing that protesters are not at risk for COVID?verb_to_trust wrote:But protesting is outside and the protesters wear bandanas around their necks!!
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Wed June 03, 2020 9:39 pm
Can't get it if you're in a herd formation. It's called herd immunity.B wrote:You've posted this in at least 2 threads. Do you think anyone is arguing that protesters are not at risk for COVID?verb_to_trust wrote:But protesting is outside and the protesters wear bandanas around their necks!!
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Wed June 03, 2020 9:57 pm
Maybe people just think fighting for justice is worth risking your life for, but cutting a haircut or going to a ballgame isn't.
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Wed June 03, 2020 10:03 pm
I do think that unless you're kettled by the cops (which to be fair is a real possibility), it's pretty easy to take precautions at an outdoor protest--don't share a megaphone, use a mask, stay six feet apart when you can. Definitely has the potential to be safer than a haircut, though certainly a lot of people aren't having that experience.
Re: Anybody want a Corona?
Posted: Wed June 03, 2020 10:22 pm
If someone tries to hand you a Molotov cocktail to throw, just say "NO THANKS, I brought my own."Mickey wrote:I do think that unless you're kettled by the cops (which to be fair is a real possibility), it's pretty easy to take precautions at an outdoor protest--don't share a megaphone, use a mask, stay six feet apart when you can. Definitely has the potential to be safer than a haircut, though certainly a lot of people aren't having that experience.