Red Mosquito

verb_to_trust wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Ah so you are speaking in “yeah buts”. If guns are banned here then “yeah but we have a border with Mexico so it will definitely still happen”

If a guy from Iraq can walk across and try and assassinate a former president I'm assuming a few guns would be able to trickle across, which is geographically very difficult for Australia.

So once again you are arguing we should just do nothing

Well I guess we could try and address our porous border and then go from there.

In the meantime all of the people with no kids should probably tell parents who are worried about their kids and talking about moving to a different country should just not because those countries with their gun laws have one singular instance of a mass shooting while here in the US it happens regularly. And why? Because that same person is telling you we shouldn’t do anything about the guns because it’s pointless.

I’m going to take the verb approach to gun control to my approach to understanding his solid logic

verb_to_trust wrote:

Mickey wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Mickey wrote:More guns flow from the US into Mexico than the other way around, idiot.

Still two way traffic bruh, and I wonder if that would change if there was a demand in the USA? Aren't you ivy league?

This is literally the first Google hit for "guns Mexico US"

Mexican officials say that the vastly different firearms regulations of the two North American neighbours are a root cause of the problem.

Mexico is home to exactly one gun shop, a fortress-like structure in a Mexico City military complex that requires buyers to provide mountains of paperwork and submit to exhaustive background checks that can take months.

Extremely restrictive gun laws require guns to be registered with the federal government and limits their type and calibre.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61073823

So your argument is that since you can't buy guns easily in Mexico that it would be hard for bad hombres to get them across the southern border if suddenly the situation changed here?

Uh, yes, exactly. Lax US gun laws are currently providing Mexican cartels with a significant percentage of their weaponry. If this were to change, Mexican drug cartels would certainly figure out a way to get their guns from somewhere else (probably the CIA lol). They might even start trafficking some of those guns north of the border, if it was lucrative enough. Do you think your average homicidal teenager is going to be able to cultivate connections with Mexican drug cartels? That this is basically the same thing as strolling into the Walmart or ordering a gun online with a credit card?

A land border does not present a significant challenge to increased US gun regulation.

But, Mickey, we should start there and see how much better things get... if they do get better.

None of these hypotheticals matter?This doesn't happen in other countries.

I feel kinda sad for you guys.

Dev wrote:I feel kinda sad for you guys.

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We don't want your pity!

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Kidding. Thank you, Dev.

verb_to_trust wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I’d be interested in seeing how many of the more recent mass shootings with AR’s we’re done with ones smuggled in from Mexico

What's the use in that? Guns are still readily available here?

You’re talking about the border, as if it matters to this issue, but yes, they’re readily available here.

Rob wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I’d be interested in seeing how many of the more recent mass shootings with AR’s we’re done with ones smuggled in from Mexico

What's the use in that? Guns are still readily available here?

You’re talking about the border, as if it matters to this issue, but yes, they’re readily available here.

The border matters, along with many other things.

Are there any stats showing guns are coming in?

To be fair, what verb is saying is that we have a land border where they could come in if we banned assault rifles. Not that they are coming in now. Where i hard disagree with him is that because they “could” means that we’ll never reduce gun violence because of it. Just because something could happen is not a reason to not take action

Peeps wrote:Are there any stats showing guns are coming in?

Probably not. And it's really only relevant if they shut of the supply domestically in the future.

Verb's point is not even worth acknowledging.

Peeps wrote:Are there any stats showing guns are coming in?

Between 2009 in 2014, 74,000 guns seized by Mexican authorities were traced back to the United States. Mexican authorities seize an average of 30,000 guns a year, so that would be 41% of all illegal firearms collected during that time.

Dev wrote:Verb's point is not even worth acknowledging.

Kind of like being Canadian

All Americans should universally support the ban of automatic assault weapons.

Must resist the urge to post the Mad Men meme

Dev wrote:All Americans should universally support the ban of automatic assault weapons.

and so is he:
Former US Marine rifle and pistol coach is fed up with gun nuts

verb_to_trust wrote:

Dev wrote:Verb's point is not even worth acknowledging.

Kind of like being Canadian

Sick burn bro

Dev wrote:All Americans should universally support the ban of automatic assault weapons.

Automatic weapons have been effectively banned since 1986. Any other bright ideas from America’s Hat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_O ... ection_Act