Red Mosquito

malice wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I can't wait for Mary to be pissed off at everything the show did after Tywin's death.

oh god

malice wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:

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Mecca wrote:

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Mecca wrote:

Anders wrote:In the show, Varys may know that Jon is the real heir to the throne.

even we dont 100% know that

what would be the point of bran travelling to that exact moment in time if not to hear the exchange between young ned and his sister, then? red herring for the sake of what?

we don't know yet. We know that Jon has dragon blood in him from inference and that should come into play otherwise its a useless narrative. I was more speaking towards Anders saying Jon is the "real heir" which isn't so black and white because for all we know, he is a bastard. A stark and a targaryean bastard, but still a bastard.

as in his parents were not married? I guess so, but if they were, would jon have more claim than dany? I guess i dont follow along in this thread as much as everyone else

If they were married Jon absolutely has more claim. The son of the first son comes before the second son.

Ok, so rhaeygar is the first son of the mad king ? Isn't dany the daughter of the mad king? Maybe im screwing up the blood lines ? Would dany be less of an heir because she's female? Id assume?

Rhaegar is the first son, and heir to the mad king. When he died his children became next in line. It doesn't go to his siblings until all his children (and their children) are gone. So after his kids were smashed against the wall by Gregor Clegane, Viserys (Rhaegar's younger brother and Dany's older brother) became heir to the Iron Throne. When he died on the Dothraki Sea Dany becamse heir.

If Jon is a legitimate child of Rhaegar it was his turn before Viserys and Dany.

thanks for explaining it, pete (not sarcasm)

Mecca wrote:

malice wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:

Mecca wrote:

malice wrote:

Mecca wrote:

Anders wrote:In the show, Varys may know that Jon is the real heir to the throne.

even we dont 100% know that

what would be the point of bran travelling to that exact moment in time if not to hear the exchange between young ned and his sister, then? red herring for the sake of what?

we don't know yet. We know that Jon has dragon blood in him from inference and that should come into play otherwise its a useless narrative. I was more speaking towards Anders saying Jon is the "real heir" which isn't so black and white because for all we know, he is a bastard. A stark and a targaryean bastard, but still a bastard.

as in his parents were not married? I guess so, but if they were, would jon have more claim than dany? I guess i dont follow along in this thread as much as everyone else

If they were married Jon absolutely has more claim. The son of the first son comes before the second son.

Ok, so rhaeygar is the first son of the mad king ? Isn't dany the daughter of the mad king? Maybe im screwing up the blood lines ? Would dany be less of an heir because she's female? Id assume?

Rhaegar is the first son, and heir to the mad king. When he died his children became next in line. It doesn't go to his siblings until all his children (and their children) are gone. So after his kids were smashed against the wall by Gregor Clegane, Viserys (Rhaegar's younger brother and Dany's older brother) became heir to the Iron Throne. When he died on the Dothraki Sea Dany becamse heir.

If Jon is a legitimate child of Rhaegar it was his turn before Viserys and Dany.

thanks for explaining it, pete (not sarcasm)

wait until you learn about the dance of dragons

Mecca wrote:

malice wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:

Mecca wrote:

malice wrote:

Mecca wrote:

Anders wrote:In the show, Varys may know that Jon is the real heir to the throne.

even we dont 100% know that

what would be the point of bran travelling to that exact moment in time if not to hear the exchange between young ned and his sister, then? red herring for the sake of what?

we don't know yet. We know that Jon has dragon blood in him from inference and that should come into play otherwise its a useless narrative. I was more speaking towards Anders saying Jon is the "real heir" which isn't so black and white because for all we know, he is a bastard. A stark and a targaryean bastard, but still a bastard.

as in his parents were not married? I guess so, but if they were, would jon have more claim than dany? I guess i dont follow along in this thread as much as everyone else

If they were married Jon absolutely has more claim. The son of the first son comes before the second son.

Ok, so rhaeygar is the first son of the mad king ? Isn't dany the daughter of the mad king? Maybe im screwing up the blood lines ? Would dany be less of an heir because she's female? Id assume?

Rhaegar is the first son, and heir to the mad king. When he died his children became next in line. It doesn't go to his siblings until all his children (and their children) are gone. So after his kids were smashed against the wall by Gregor Clegane, Viserys (Rhaegar's younger brother and Dany's older brother) became heir to the Iron Throne. When he died on the Dothraki Sea Dany becamse heir.

If Jon is a legitimate child of Rhaegar it was his turn before Viserys and Dany.

thanks for explaining it, pete (not sarcasm)

wait until you learn about the dance of dragons

Spoiler: show

reminded me of the Bran is the Night King theory. Especially when she said brother vs. brother and dragon vs. dragon.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:(We all agree that Dev is Littlefinger, right?)

tragabigzanda wrote:(We all agree that Dev is Littlefinger, right?)

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:But dev is more of a schemer

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I have no idea what Vary's endgame actually is. But I love him to pieces. If he's a traitor to Dany, I'll need a damn good reason for it. However, having said that, I don't think he should be trusted. And it would make a lot of sense for him to be "the spy in Dany's camp."

His endgame is to

Spoiler: show

get a blackfyre on the Iron Throne. Debts of affection and all that.

Spoiler: show

Interesting that the Blackfyres were founded by a legitimized bastard.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:(We all agree that Dev is Littlefinger, right?)

no, asher is littlefinger