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tragabigzanda wrote:Fwiw, my folks had an array installed on their place in MA about five years ago, to the tune of $20K. MA allows them to sell excess power back to the grid, and they generate about $250-500/mo in passive income, depending on the month. They’ll have recouped the expense in roughly another year and a half, or 7.5 years total since their purchase.

simple schoolboy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Fwiw, my folks had an array installed on their place in MA about five years ago, to the tune of $20K. MA allows them to sell excess power back to the grid, and they generate about $250-500/mo in passive income, depending on the month. They’ll have recouped the expense in roughly another year and a half, or 7.5 years total since their purchase.

Do they have battery backup?

96583UP wrote:

worldwithyourheart wrote:

96583UP wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:In all seriousness, the eventual outcome of this should be Republican backed legislation that provides ample incentive for large utilities to diversify their portfolios and trade on the grid for renewable energies

i have faith that technological advancement will come sooner rather than later that will make solar more productive and affordable such that we'll be able to de-centralize the grid and won't be significantly reliant on the utilities in 10 years time. in times like these having home battery storage as backup will be the key.

better technology doesn't require politicians - just investment capital (which there is tons of)

the Nerds will save us

Solar, wind and hydro generated power is nowhere ready to make a huge impact on our dependency on fossil fuels, especially in the northeast US and colder regions. Solar, wind and hydro generate about 20% of all electricity (solar being about 5 -6%). Fossil fuels, nuclear and burning trash generates about 60%.

One main reason renewable energy is as high as 20% is due to government tax breaks and kickbacks. It's not quite sustainable on it's own.

Home battery backup generated by solar panels costs about $5,000 just for the batteries! Without government kickbacks, a home solar panel system with batteries cost about $15,000 installed and takes a good 12 plus years to re-cooperate investment. Way too long.

I remember during the 1980's companies trying to sell solar to homeowner's. Here it is nearly 40 years later and it still isn't fully sustainable.

I don't think you understood my post

or wanted to

tragabigzanda wrote:

worldwithyourheart wrote:

96583UP wrote:

worldwithyourheart wrote:

96583UP wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:In all seriousness, the eventual outcome of this should be Republican backed legislation that provides ample incentive for large utilities to diversify their portfolios and trade on the grid for renewable energies

i have faith that technological advancement will come sooner rather than later that will make solar more productive and affordable such that we'll be able to de-centralize the grid and won't be significantly reliant on the utilities in 10 years time. in times like these having home battery storage as backup will be the key.

better technology doesn't require politicians - just investment capital (which there is tons of)

the Nerds will save us

Solar, wind and hydro generated power is nowhere ready to make a huge impact on our dependency on fossil fuels, especially in the northeast US and colder regions. Solar, wind and hydro generate about 20% of all electricity (solar being about 5 -6%). Fossil fuels, nuclear and burning trash generates about 60%.

One main reason renewable energy is as high as 20% is due to government tax breaks and kickbacks. It's not quite sustainable on it's own.

Home battery backup generated by solar panels costs about $5,000 just for the batteries! Without government kickbacks, a home solar panel system with batteries cost about $15,000 installed and takes a good 12 plus years to re-cooperate investment. Way too long.

I remember during the 1980's companies trying to sell solar to homeowner's. Here it is nearly 40 years later and it still isn't fully sustainable.

I don't think you understood my post

or wanted to

I believe I did, and I want to, but it's not reality. Power companies don't want to buy power from homeowners trying to make a buck. It's a nuisance. Homeowner's need to generate and store the electricity for it's own use. You need batteries. It's too expensive without government subsidizing it. Govt can't do it forever.

Can you point me towards some reading to back up the bold part of your claim?

elliseamos wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

worldwithyourheart wrote:

96583UP wrote:

worldwithyourheart wrote:

96583UP wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:In all seriousness, the eventual outcome of this should be Republican backed legislation that provides ample incentive for large utilities to diversify their portfolios and trade on the grid for renewable energies

i have faith that technological advancement will come sooner rather than later that will make solar more productive and affordable such that we'll be able to de-centralize the grid and won't be significantly reliant on the utilities in 10 years time. in times like these having home battery storage as backup will be the key.

better technology doesn't require politicians - just investment capital (which there is tons of)

the Nerds will save us

Solar, wind and hydro generated power is nowhere ready to make a huge impact on our dependency on fossil fuels, especially in the northeast US and colder regions. Solar, wind and hydro generate about 20% of all electricity (solar being about 5 -6%). Fossil fuels, nuclear and burning trash generates about 60%.

One main reason renewable energy is as high as 20% is due to government tax breaks and kickbacks. It's not quite sustainable on it's own.

Home battery backup generated by solar panels costs about $5,000 just for the batteries! Without government kickbacks, a home solar panel system with batteries cost about $15,000 installed and takes a good 12 plus years to re-cooperate investment. Way too long.

I remember during the 1980's companies trying to sell solar to homeowner's. Here it is nearly 40 years later and it still isn't fully sustainable.

I don't think you understood my post

or wanted to

I believe I did, and I want to, but it's not reality. Power companies don't want to buy power from homeowners trying to make a buck. It's a nuisance. Homeowner's need to generate and store the electricity for it's own use. You need batteries. It's too expensive without government subsidizing it. Govt can't do it forever.

Can you point me towards some reading to back up the bold part of your claim?

Fossil Fuels aren't subsidized?

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