Red Mosquito

surfndestroy wrote:

B wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:I can't believe I am the one saying this but I think if we want an inclusive and equal society that when you want to refer to a group by their sex, you use male or female or cis man or cis woman. Keep man and woman for gender and stop using trans this or trans that. They identify as man or woman, that's good enough for me.

I agree with you to a point. For the most part, the use of "trans/transgender" serves little purpose. Certainly, transgender people would prefer to be treated like any other man or woman in their day-to-day interactions, but I can't go as far as you, b/c ignoring transgender status of an individual is the same as seeing no color when talking about race issues.

Transgender individuals have very specific issues involving health, law, and abuse, and ignoring trans status, makes you unable to address those issues.

Would you introduce me as an immuno-compromised, single male parent man? Those are very relevant to issues regarding health, law, systematic misandry in court I and others in my situation have faced. Or would I just be a guy you know from online?

I ask not because I think you are wrong but more because I struggle understanding the need by some to constantly identify who they are in much more detail than required by the situation.

B wrote:

Jorge wrote:I don't know the context around where Bammer saw that term, and certainly I can imagine scenarios where it could be meant as an insult, but I think taken at face value it's not inherently insulting. It's drawing the same differentiation between gender and sex that you made earlier.

The term is clunky and funny-sounding but I can see what it's aiming for

Leave it to bammer to find the only transphobic person in Seattle.

Spoiler: show

It was from an ad that came across my FB feed for a "master class" given by a sexual education author and she was talking about it in the context of how a person derives sexual pleasure.
There, you happy now!??!

Bammer wrote: There, you happy now!??!

B wrote:

Bammer wrote: There, you happy now!??!

No. Now I don't know what to call people who derive pleasure from other parts of their body?

tragabigzanda wrote:The Elliott Page news is pretty awesome. At the risk of sounding like a shithead, I can't immediately think of any trans celebrities whose fame wasn't somehow defined by their being trans (I'm sure they exist, I just can't think of any).

Page is obviously talented as hell, and he made his career on his own merits. I'd like to think that his coming out after achieving a ton of success will help move the rock up the hill just a little bit more than had it been the other way around.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Bammer wrote:You can try all you want, trag, but you’ll never convince us you didn’t jerk it to Ellen Page.

*Elliott Page. Wtf bammer!

B wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:The Elliott Page news is pretty awesome. At the risk of sounding like a shithead, I can't immediately think of any trans celebrities whose fame wasn't somehow defined by their being trans (I'm sure they exist, I just can't think of any).

Page is obviously talented as hell, and he made his career on his own merits. I'd like to think that his coming out after achieving a ton of success will help move the rock up the hill just a little bit more than had it been the other way around.

*they

"they are transgender and identify as non-binary, a term used to describe a person whose gender identity is neither man nor woman."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/01/entertai ... index.html

Honestly, I guess I don't know what transgender means if you can be non-binary. I have a hard time understanding a lot of gender stuff.

B wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:The Elliott Page news is pretty awesome. At the risk of sounding like a shithead, I can't immediately think of any trans celebrities whose fame wasn't somehow defined by their being trans (I'm sure they exist, I just can't think of any).

Page is obviously talented as hell, and he made his career on his own merits. I'd like to think that his coming out after achieving a ton of success will help move the rock up the hill just a little bit more than had it been the other way around.

*they

"they are transgender and identify as non-binary, a term used to describe a person whose gender identity is neither man nor woman."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/01/entertai ... index.html

Honestly, I guess I don't know what transgender means if you can be non-binary. I have a hard time understanding a lot of gender stuff.