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Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:41 pm
by Mickey
Which one is Buzz

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:42 pm
by Ms Harmless
Mickey wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
washing machine wrote:
wease wrote:
washing machine wrote:Is that a real conservative take that you've seen on the internet, wease? Really?
It’s one I heard on the radio at lunch.
That surprises me.
it's one I've seen time and time again
Yeah it doesn't surprise me at all, Breitbart used to have an entire section of their page devoted to "black on black crime," macphisto regularly makes these kinds of arguments--the fact that you didn't anticipate this suggests its own form of cherry-picking.

weird (ha! something you failed to account for and predict!), but I'll entertain it

I knew it would come up eventually, but I wasn't going to make more work for myself by addressing it until it did

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:44 pm
by washing machine
Mickey wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
washing machine wrote:
wease wrote:
washing machine wrote:Is that a real conservative take that you've seen on the internet, wease? Really?
It’s one I heard on the radio at lunch.
That surprises me.
it's one I've seen time and time again
Yeah it doesn't surprise me at all, Breitbart used to have an entire section of their page devoted to "black on black crime," macphisto regularly makes these kinds of arguments--the fact that you didn't anticipate this suggests its own form of cherry-picking.
Ah. See there's the problem right there.

Brietbart. Macphisto. Not exactly good-faith representations of the party of conservative intellectual thought.

I believe you're conflating conservatism with racism. Shocking, I tell ya.

I posted three published articles from right of center sources when this question was asked a few pages ago and they got more or less ignored because they are an "exception" somehow.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:46 pm
by wease
The Fresh Prince could never have handled being at a Dean Martin Roast.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:46 pm
by Ms Harmless
oh a lot of right wingers would like nothing more than to not be racist; a lot of them talk a lot about that... a lot

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:47 pm
by Rob
Mickey wrote:
Rob wrote:I can't believe this is worthy of close to 30 pages.

I don't understand why race matters here.

Will Smith is an icon in our generation, but off screen has been a lunatic for quite some time. Chris Rock handled it as well as you can. I'm really not sure there's more to it than this.
I believe the point about race is that black women have historically been (and continue to be) scrutinized for their hair, especially for having "natural" hairstyles, which Rock as the host of a documentary about this very topic should have been more sensitive about before making a joke about JPS's hair, which is both natural and a choice she made as a result of a medical condition.
Well, it's kind of the job of a comedian to push/find boundaries. Overly sensitive comedians don't tend to be very good. I do see the point being made, maybe it was in bad taste, but Smith's reaction was too much.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:47 pm
by Ms Harmless
wease wrote:The Fresh Prince could never have handled being at a Dean Martin Roast.
Dean Martin wasn't a great guy

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:53 pm
by warehouse
spike wrote:
washing machine wrote:
tree_ wrote:
warehouse wrote:tree pretending the joke was a compliment is the best part of this whole thing.
I am more and more unable to see how it wasn't a compliment, the more times I see it.
fucking tree :haha:
it certainly wasn't an insult (assuming rock didn't know about the alopecia).
yeah he wasn't being insulting, chris rock is known for pushing the boundaries of compliments lol. you guys are gonna pull a muscle reaching so far

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:54 pm
by wease
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:The Fresh Prince could never have handled being at a Dean Martin Roast.
Dean Martin wasn't a great guy
Neither is Will Smith, but that wasn’t really the point.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:54 pm
by VinylGuy
Ms Harmless wrote:oh a lot of right wingers would like nothing more than to not be racist; a lot of them talk a lot about that... a lot
Im a racist but at the same time im from south america and everyone is racist with me, so its kinda settled right?

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:58 pm
by tree_
warehouse wrote:
spike wrote:
washing machine wrote:
tree_ wrote:
warehouse wrote:tree pretending the joke was a compliment is the best part of this whole thing.
I am more and more unable to see how it wasn't a compliment, the more times I see it.
fucking tree :haha:
it certainly wasn't an insult (assuming rock didn't know about the alopecia).
yeah he wasn't being insulting, chris rock is known for pushing the boundaries of compliments lol. you guys are gonna pull a muscle reaching so far
The point is you don't know, cause there's no way of knowing, and that's an awfully drastic measure to take when you don't know. And I even heard it as a compliment, cause GI Jane is a hot, honorable character. If he had called her Shrek, that's an insult. That simple.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:59 pm
by Ms Harmless
wease wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:The Fresh Prince could never have handled being at a Dean Martin Roast.
Dean Martin wasn't a great guy
Neither is Will Smith, but that wasn’t really the point.
no, the point (being made by Tree) was "Chris Rock was trying to be nice actually"

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 8:59 pm
by Rangi Guy
daft twat wrote:What if it was Gervais instead of Rock

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 9:00 pm
by Ms Harmless
no way of knowing
which way the wind is blowing!

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 9:00 pm
by warehouse
tree_ wrote:
warehouse wrote:
spike wrote:
washing machine wrote:
tree_ wrote:
warehouse wrote:tree pretending the joke was a compliment is the best part of this whole thing.
I am more and more unable to see how it wasn't a compliment, the more times I see it.
fucking tree :haha:
it certainly wasn't an insult (assuming rock didn't know about the alopecia).
yeah he wasn't being insulting, chris rock is known for pushing the boundaries of compliments lol. you guys are gonna pull a muscle reaching so far
The point is you don't know, cause there's no way of knowing, and that's an awfully drastic measure to take when you don't know. And I even heard it as a compliment, cause GI Jane is hot. If he had called her Shrek, that's an insult. That simple.
lol you heard it as a compliment about 10 pages ago. did you see her face after the remark? did you think that was the face of someone who just received a compliment? get real dude. you can argue smith was out of line, but pretending the comment was a compliment is way too far.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 9:01 pm
by tree_
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:The Fresh Prince could never have handled being at a Dean Martin Roast.
Dean Martin wasn't a great guy
Neither is Will Smith, but that wasn’t really the point.
no, the point (being made by Tree) was "Chris Rock was trying to be nice actually"
Seems that way to me, and I explained how I got there. You can't even explain how that was an insult.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 9:01 pm
by tree_
warehouse wrote:
tree_ wrote:
warehouse wrote:
spike wrote:
washing machine wrote:
tree_ wrote:
warehouse wrote:tree pretending the joke was a compliment is the best part of this whole thing.
I am more and more unable to see how it wasn't a compliment, the more times I see it.
fucking tree :haha:
it certainly wasn't an insult (assuming rock didn't know about the alopecia).
yeah he wasn't being insulting, chris rock is known for pushing the boundaries of compliments lol. you guys are gonna pull a muscle reaching so far
The point is you don't know, cause there's no way of knowing, and that's an awfully drastic measure to take when you don't know. And I even heard it as a compliment, cause GI Jane is hot. If he had called her Shrek, that's an insult. That simple.
lol you heard it as a compliment about 10 pages ago. did you see her face after the remark? did you think that was the face of someone who just received a compliment? get real dude. you can argue smith was out of line, but pretending the comment was a compliment is way too far.
Yeah, she misunderstood him is my opinion. Even Will Smith thought it was a harmless joke until he saw her face.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 9:02 pm
by bada
bart wrote:I don’t think race should play a factor in this, I don’t have a racist bone in my body but I still can’t believe Will Smith slapped Kevin Hart like that.
Just want you to know this was a worthy effort.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 9:03 pm
by Mickey
Ms Harmless wrote:
Mickey wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
washing machine wrote:
wease wrote:
washing machine wrote:Is that a real conservative take that you've seen on the internet, wease? Really?
It’s one I heard on the radio at lunch.
That surprises me.
it's one I've seen time and time again
Yeah it doesn't surprise me at all, Breitbart used to have an entire section of their page devoted to "black on black crime," macphisto regularly makes these kinds of arguments--the fact that you didn't anticipate this suggests its own form of cherry-picking.

weird (ha! something you failed to account for and predict!), but I'll entertain it

I knew it would come up eventually, but I wasn't going to make more work for myself by addressing it until it did
The "you" here is Reid, not you.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 9:03 pm
by washing machine
Ms Harmless wrote:oh a lot of right wingers would like nothing more than to not be racist; a lot of them talk a lot about that... a lot
First five conservative tweets I come across on my feed, warts and all:
Spoiler: show