Red Mosquito

Up until a few years ago I would have disagreed.

Norman Smiley or Brian Knobbs?

Definitely Brian Knobbs

Fame? Knobs
Greatness? Smiley

tommy wrote:Definitely Brian Knobbs

BurtReynolds wrote:Fame? Knobs
Greatness? Smiley

That’s fair. Smiley is an all timer.

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Fame? Knobs
Greatness? Smiley

That’s fair. Smiley is an all timer.

An all time goof

tommy wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Fame? Knobs
Greatness? Smiley

That’s fair. Smiley is an all timer.

An all time goof

You don’t understand

BurtReynolds wrote:Who had the bigger career? Edge and Christian or The Hardys?

Edge won a total of 31 championships in WWE, holding the World Heavyweight Championship (2002–2013 version) a record seven times, the WWE Championship four times, the Intercontinental Championship five times, the United States Championship once, the World Tag Team Championship a record 12 times, and the WWE Tag Team Championship twice. He is WWE's 14th Triple Crown Champion and 7th Grand Slam Champion. He won the 2001 King of the Ring tournament, the inaugural Money in the Bank ladder match at WrestleMania 21 in 2005, and the 2010 Royal Rumble match, making him the first wrestler to achieve all three. After winning the Intercontinental Championship in 1999, he formed a tag team with Christian, and the two won the World Tag Team Championship on seven occasions. During this time, they gained notoriety due to their participation in Tables, Ladders, and Chairs matches. They are considered one of the major teams that revived tag team wrestling during the Attitude Era. The team parted ways in 2001, after which, Christian held various singles titles in WWE, including the European, Hardcore, and Intercontinental Championships.
In 2005, Reso departed WWE and signed with Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) under his Christian Cage ring name, after which, he won the NWA World Heavyweight Championship twice. He left TNA in late 2008 and re-signed with WWE in 2009, where he won the ECW Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship twice each until retiring in 2014 due to concussion issues. He was the 23rd Triple Crown Champion and 11th Grand Slam Champion in WWE history. In March 2021, Cage made his debut for AEW, again reverting to his Christian Cage moniker, and officially resuming his in-ring wrestling career. Following this, he won the Impact World Championship on the first episode of AEW Rampage in 2021 (as AEW and Impact had a partnership at the time), and in 2023, he won his first title under the AEW banner in the TNT Championship. In total, between WWE, AEW, and TNA, Cage has won 25 championships, including seven world championships and nine tag team titles.

Jeff Hardy has had great success in his singles career, capturing his first of six world championships, the WWE Championship in 2008 and going on to hold WWE's World Heavyweight Championship twice and the TNA World Heavyweight Championship three times. Within WWF/WWE, he has also won the Intercontinental Championship five times, the Hardcore Championship three times and the European, Light Heavyweight, and United States Championships once each. Having won the required championships, he is the 18th Triple Crown Champion and 9th Grand Slam Champion in WWE history. The Hardy Boyz have held twenty-one world tag team championships between WWE, TNA, ROH and other promotions. As a singles wrestler, Matt Hardy has won three world championships (one ECW Championship, and two TNA World Heavyweight Championships).

The Hardyz have won more tag team championships, Jeff Hardy is an icon, and Matt Hardy has created some individual buzz.

Still, Edge was a bigger overall star in the WWE than Jeff Hardy, and Christian has without a doubt had a better singles career than Matt Hardy.

Now all four are in AEW, and while Edge and Christian are main eventers, the Hardyz are like an afterthought. Jeff Hardy getting several DOA’s probably has a lot to do with that. Heck, he was even drunk in the ring during a TNA ppv main event against Sting.

That being said, Christian, Jeff and Matt have all had their best work in TNA. Edge has never been there, but is now in AEW, wherr he is finally attempting something different.

Edge has also had the biggest acting roles of the four.

So the winners are Edge and Christian.

lol

numbers wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:Why are their ratings getting worse and worse

Combination of things. The punk stuff, WWE getting super hot, the horrible stretch of shows in the last quarter of 2023 catching up to them, the fact that they are doing 5 hours a week now instead of 2, a consistent inability to follow up on angles and storylines week to week…

The PPVs are at least consistently good so far

Dynasty was fantastic, AEWs hit rate on ppvs is unreal.

Even the bad match got good. Crowd was white hot

The ladder match was something else. The crowd was as disengaged as could be at the beginning after witnessing one of the greatest matches ever, and they still turned them around and got them into that match.

Watching it now, have gotten to the Ospreay vs Danielson match.

Fantastic match.

I just saw Jim Ross being escorted to a terminal via wheelchair in the Atlanta airport. With his hat, sunglasses and dead, expressionless face it felt like Weekend at Bernie’s

Maybe i was just exhausted, but aside from the opening match i thought this pape was lacking. Didn’t think it was bad, but I only mildly enjoyed the rest. Didn’t really hate anything?