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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 6:38 pm
by IlluminEddie
stip wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:Couple things:

1) I like the video. It's kinda cool and clearly is trying to say "something". I just don't know wtf it's trying to say.
2) The video actually doesn't go with the song at all. The song is about religion, or seems to be and the video was about war
3) If the video provides anything at all, it's hope that this album is concept-related, kinda apocalyptic.. (although I think the inclusion of Sleeping By Myself may destroy that thought)

At the end of the day, I don't get Ed. He's got this viewpoint of "let's scream about the guy who was in office 8 years ago, and when people get upset, F them"... fair enough. That makes sense, but "8 years later (when said guy is out of office) let's have videos about war, about how everything's f'd up, and play fundraisers for the guy who's in office today." Wtf?

I wish this video made sense. Someone help me please...
this is what I wrote for the main page, if it helps

We have our first video from Lightning Bolt (for Mind Your Manners), and it tells us quite a bit about how the band interprets the song (and possibly acts as a guide for how to understand the album). Someone on the Red Mosquito message board (Farmer John) described it as the love child of Do the Evolution and The Fixer videos, and that’s a pretty good bumper sticker description of the video. We have the images of a collapsing civilization that was the hallmark of the DTE animation (although much of this is actual film footage, underscoring the severity of what’s at stake) with the silly rock star theatrics of The Fixer. Whether or not they fit together is up to the viewer, although I’ll speculate in a minute as to why they may have tried to merge them together.

My initial impression of the song Mind Your Manners was that it was an anti-religious screed (given the opening ‘I found myself believing that I needed God’ and the chorus it isn’t hard to see why), but it seemed like there was a deeper, more interesting message hovering just below the surface, and it comes to the fore in the visuals of the video. This is not a song about religion in the ‘isn’t organized religion horrible’ sense. Religious hypocrisy is too easy a target to be all that compelling. It is instead a song about learning to see what is happening to the world around us, and being prepared to take steps to do something about. In fact, most of the religious imagery in the video has nothing to do with churches.

Instead we’re given a series of occasionally striking, occasionally subtle, occasionally heavy handed visual representations of a world collapsing in on itself. Often the first appearance is animated, but then we’re given the real thing to remind us that this is actually happening.
-Tidal waves, floods forest fires, floods, avalanches, sun blasted deserts where there used to be trees, tornadoes,
-War (bombs, tanks, gunfire)
-Pollution, smoke stacks, oil spills, (animated, and real), poisoned air (the statue of liberty in a gas mask--a nice shot at America’s failure to lead on environmental issues))
-Greed (the printing presses)
-Democracy (or the United States) in chains (the barbed wire imagery on the flag)
-The lightning bolt striking the puritanical looking figure (the rapture or a comment on hypocrisy. both?)
-Hour glasses counting down the time we have left


This is all framed by the 1960s PSA video on manners, and it sheds light on the pre-chorus. If this is the world around us why aren’t we howling with outrage. Why are our problems marginalized, diminished, if they are even talked about at all? How often did impending environmental collapse or the serious structural weaknesses in the US economy come up during the 2012 election? Why can’t our political and corporate leaders actually address what is at stake? Why isn’t the declining state of our civilization an issue given the gravity it deserves? Because people in power fear disruption. Disrupting the status quo. Disrupting their ability to get elected Disrupting their legitimacy. Even if the emperor has no clothes, as the story teaches us, it’s rude to point that out. Mind your manners.

So where does the religion come in? There is plenty of religious imagery in the video--the lost soul stumbling through the woods (a fairly traditional metaphor for spiritual striving), the ascension up to heaven, escaping this tortured world, being directed by God (who flicks the pilgrim onto the cloud and sends him back--there is no real agency from the seeker). This song is a critique of the idea of theodicy--the belief that this is the best of all possible worlds, that the problems that exist are beyond us, and that attempts to deal with them will just make things worse. Therefore, they aren’t our problem and we are no longer morally obligated to deal with them. It’s a philosophy of passivity. Originally this is a religious concept, but the idea can be easily appropriated by free market fundamentalists, social Darwinists, or anyone who argues that we lack the ability to DO something about the world. And fuck it. It hardly matters anyway. As long as your soul is squared away with God it’ll all work out all right for YOU in the end.

But what if that’s wrong. What if we can do better? What if we HAVE to? In the video, god kicks the ascending man out of heaven and back down to Earth. He’s stuck here. Trapped. For better or worse. So he might as well try and make it a place he can live in. And so during the second chorus we are confronted with images of destruction reversing itself. If we stop accepting we can do ‘something else’.

This is not the work of heroes. This is a project anyone and everyone has to engage. And so while the rock star cheesiness is in the video in part because it’s playful (do you really think Danny Clinch included that because he thinks it looks cool?), and in part as a juxtaposition with how serious the problems that face us are. But I think it may also be meant to signify that there aren’t heroes that are going to make this better. There aren’t 20 people that are going to sit down in a room and solve our problems. Nor is it enough for some celebrity to draw attention to these things, since in the end a celebrity is just some silhouetted asshole jumping up and down in front of a blue screen. After all, we frequently get this footage from within a TV in the video, implying that we’re passively being dictated to, or that being a spectator is not enough. If the world is going to save itself, we’re going to have to roll up our sleeves, all of us, and get to work.
Very good write-up. In my opinion, the song is about someone who was tortured for speaking up and believing in something different. Think Eddie during the Bush years. The point is to do something when you can. Stand up for what you believe sort of lyrics. But, my point, on the video, to me, is it's not really doing that (standing up for what they believe in - because now Obama's in).

My question to you... stip... who is "they" in Ed's MYM lyrics?

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 6:41 pm
by stip
the 'they' refers to elites that defend the status quo.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 6:44 pm
by mvw
IlluminEddie wrote:Check out the end date on the final slide. What does that mean? 90-16-5
Project 90-16-57

Check this out:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/nuclear-w ... /713033265

"450 miles off the San Diego coast, the U.S. Navy detonated a submerged 30 kiloton fission device to determine its effectiveness as a weapon against submarines, as well as to record the effects of wave creation at nearby, Intermediate and long distances from the explosion."

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 6:47 pm
by stupidmop
Bombs and waves

That has to be it.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 7:16 pm
by southp
My impression; The video is fantastic and very similar in feel to DTE. Additionally I think it bodes well for what will ultimately be the artwork of the album, and hopefully some darker themes in the songwriting. All good things. :thumbsup:

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 7:28 pm
by HardTI
Album excitement has gone from 8.6 up to 8.9 now. I'll keep you all posted on any further changes.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 7:43 pm
by harmless
I'm away for the weekend so could only watch it on a shitty phone, but as far as I can tell, the video is great. The song/video combo is the best thing since Riot Act.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 7:46 pm
by VinylGuy
harmless wrote:I'm away for the weekend so could only watch it on a shitty phone, but as far as I can tell, the video is great. The song/video combo is the best thing since Riot Act.
wow, thats a long stretch...considering they havent done anything visual for RA...right?

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 7:47 pm
by HardTI
VinylGuy wrote:
harmless wrote:I'm away for the weekend so could only watch it on a shitty phone, but as far as I can tell, the video is great. The song/video combo is the best thing since Riot Act.
wow, thats a long stretch...considering they havent done anything visual for RA...right?
I am Mine I think and wasn't there maybe 1 more video? I cant remember.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 7:48 pm
by evenslow
HardTI wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
harmless wrote:I'm away for the weekend so could only watch it on a shitty phone, but as far as I can tell, the video is great. The song/video combo is the best thing since Riot Act.
wow, thats a long stretch...considering they havent done anything visual for RA...right?
I am Mine I think and wasn't there maybe 1 more video? I cant remember.
WWS, Life Wasted, The Fixer

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 7:49 pm
by EJ
HardTI wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
harmless wrote:I'm away for the weekend so could only watch it on a shitty phone, but as far as I can tell, the video is great. The song/video combo is the best thing since Riot Act.
wow, thats a long stretch...considering they havent done anything visual for RA...right?
I am Mine I think and wasn't there maybe 1 more video? I cant remember.
They did the Chop Suey vid shoot for RA. More of a promo thing. I Am Mine, LBC, Save You, TMW, and Half Full.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 7:50 pm
by Thejambi
ATW had a video as well.
The RA videos were just live performances I believe.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 7:54 pm
by Lounge Lizard
Thejambi wrote:ATW had a video as well.
The RA videos were just live performances I believe.
They were live performances that had annoying lights blinding you right in the face

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 8:12 pm
by darthvedder81
IlluminEddie wrote:
Very good write-up. In my opinion, the song is about someone who was tortured for speaking up and believing in something different. Think Eddie during the Bush years. The point is to do something when you can. Stand up for what you believe sort of lyrics. But, my point, on the video, to me, is it's not really doing that (standing up for what they believe in - because now Obama's in).

My question to you... stip... who is "they" in Ed's MYM lyrics?
Ed was "tortured for speaking up" in the Bush years? Oh please.

The only person tortured was me paying $85 to have to sit through Ed's childish 2003 tour Bushleaguer performance. (And BTW I'm not a fan of W).

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 8:16 pm
by stip
darthvedder81 wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
Very good write-up. In my opinion, the song is about someone who was tortured for speaking up and believing in something different. Think Eddie during the Bush years. The point is to do something when you can. Stand up for what you believe sort of lyrics. But, my point, on the video, to me, is it's not really doing that (standing up for what they believe in - because now Obama's in).

My question to you... stip... who is "they" in Ed's MYM lyrics?
Ed was "tortured for speaking up" in the Bush years? Oh please.

The only person tortured was me paying $85 to have to sit through Ed's childish 2003 tour Bushleaguer performance. (And BTW I'm not a fan of W).
you would have been smarter to pay $85 for the whole show, and not just Bushleaguer.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 8:18 pm
by evenslow
stip wrote:
darthvedder81 wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
Very good write-up. In my opinion, the song is about someone who was tortured for speaking up and believing in something different. Think Eddie during the Bush years. The point is to do something when you can. Stand up for what you believe sort of lyrics. But, my point, on the video, to me, is it's not really doing that (standing up for what they believe in - because now Obama's in).

My question to you... stip... who is "they" in Ed's MYM lyrics?
Ed was "tortured for speaking up" in the Bush years? Oh please.

The only person tortured was me paying $85 to have to sit through Ed's childish 2003 tour Bushleaguer performance. (And BTW I'm not a fan of W).
you would have been smarter to pay $85 for the whole show, and not just Bushleaguer.
Pearl Jam really pissed all over their fans for charging that much for one song. Just an asshole move. I can't defend it.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 8:23 pm
by Lament
evenslow wrote:Pearl Jam really pissed all over their fans for charging that much for one song. Just an asshole move. I can't defend it.
If you don't like it, start your own band and play two, hell three songs for that much. It's easier said than done.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 8:36 pm
by HardTI
darthvedder81 wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
Very good write-up. In my opinion, the song is about someone who was tortured for speaking up and believing in something different. Think Eddie during the Bush years. The point is to do something when you can. Stand up for what you believe sort of lyrics. But, my point, on the video, to me, is it's not really doing that (standing up for what they believe in - because now Obama's in).

My question to you... stip... who is "they" in Ed's MYM lyrics?
Ed was "tortured for speaking up" in the Bush years? Oh please.

The only person tortured was me paying $85 to have to sit through Ed's childish 2003 tour Bushleaguer performance. (And BTW I'm not a fan of W).
I was a W supporter. I still don't hate the man (don't care for him either), although I'm now a crazy Libertarian. Anyways, I always loved Bushleaguer. Musically its one of the more interesting things they have done.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 8:39 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Man that Vegas 03 show when Ed went on his anti-Bush rant was fun.

Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

Posted: Fri August 23, 2013 8:53 pm
by Mine
EJ wrote:
HardTI wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
harmless wrote:I'm away for the weekend so could only watch it on a shitty phone, but as far as I can tell, the video is great. The song/video combo is the best thing since Riot Act.
wow, thats a long stretch...considering they havent done anything visual for RA...right?
I am Mine I think and wasn't there maybe 1 more video? I cant remember.
They did the Chop Suey vid shoot for RA. More of a promo thing. I Am Mine, LBC, Save You, TMW, and Half Full.
Except Save You