Red Mosquito

Mine wrote:I think that what many if not the majority here most stubbornly argue makes a great song and is strong song writing isn't even mirrored in their own taste let alone works as a general rule.

i need you to hold this thought while i run outside and find a 5th grader who can translate this for me

i think it is meant to mean: I have constructed a stereotype of what the position of the majority of this board is, as though they were a homogenous and unified entity; and i have not shared the definition of that construct with the board-entity, but i have applied it to you (personally) as though it is a position that you have offered and defended, and I am now successfully refuting that argument, that you have not made, nor defended, but which I have constructed, and not defined, in order to justify my perception that you (personally, and as a member of the board-entity) are a hypocrite, and I am not.

but I am not certain. and for some reason, i have an urge to sword fight imaginary storm troopers in my basement and air make-out with princess Leia on top of the dryer.

Thejambi wrote:

Mine wrote:It's interesting how a song that doesn't have any of what most people here consider interesting song writing properties is rated 5 stars by 42 out of 45 people.
Not much of a decent riff, rather average music and melody, standard structure, a solo that for the most part follows the verse melody, very common time signature and yet....

Everything is done well. Everything is balanced. Every part is performed honestly. Nothing is too simple or is trying too hard.


The song is just perfect.

This is why i tend to dismiss most of the input people have about the songwriting of this band. This is a song credited to Ed alone from an album described by Jeff as "uhm Ed just kinda uhm telling us what to play" while Stone nodes and yet he's the least talented person in the band. It's also why i find the notion of a band spending more time together on a song as a recipe for really good music naive. When songwriting is "mechanical" and forced it never produces truly great songs. Different people have different tastes and skills which influences the music they write and arrange. This band isn't exempt from this. This song is the antithesis of the way Stone and Jeff (and Mike) write and neither of them ever achieved this level of songwriting and probably don't find it particularly good either.

96583UP wrote:

Mine wrote:I think that what many if not the majority here most stubbornly argue makes a great song and is strong song writing isn't even mirrored in their own taste let alone works as a general rule.

i need you to hold this thought while i run outside and find a 5th grader who can translate this for me

i think it is meant to mean: I have constructed a stereotype of what the position of the majority of this board is, as though they were a homogenous and unified entity; and i have not shared the definition of that construct with the board-entity, but i have applied it to you (personally) as though it is a position that you have offered and defended, and I am now successfully refuting that argument, that you have not made, nor defended, but which I have constructed, and not defined, in order to justify my perception that you (personally, and as a member of the board-entity) are a hypocrite, and I am not.

but I am not certain. and for some reason, i have an urge to sword fight imaginary storm troopers in my basement and air make-out with princess Leia on top of the dryer.

for us Ed fanboys hypocrite is the new black, dude

well, i fucking love this song so i guess, we'll just have to agree to agree

want some ass puss? i have extra.

96583UP wrote:

Mine wrote:I think that what many if not the majority here most stubbornly argue makes a great song and is strong song writing isn't even mirrored in their own taste let alone works as a general rule.

i need you to hold this thought while i run outside and find a 5th grader who can translate this for me

i think it is meant to mean: I have constructed a stereotype of what the position of the majority of this board is, as though they were a homogenous and unified entity; and i have not shared the definition of that construct with the board-entity, but i have applied it to you (personally) as though it is a position that you have offered and defended, and I am now successfully refuting that argument, that you have not made, nor defended, but which I have constructed, and not defined, in order to justify my perception that you (personally, and as a member of the board-entity) are a hypocrite, and I am not.

but I am not certain. and for some reason, i have an urge to sword fight imaginary storm troopers in my basement and air make-out with princess Leia on top of the dryer.

That's pretty great.

This song is perfect.

Lukin2211 wrote:This song is perfect.

But, which is the most perfect?

Studio cut?
Dave A live?
Self Pollution?
Jack Irons live?
Matt Cameron live?

Charlotte 2013

Self Pollution.

bada wrote:Self Pollution.

this one, at the very least, has one of Mike's all time great solos

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Charlotte 2013

Is Charlotte 2013 your favorite version of every song?

B wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Charlotte 2013

Is Charlotte 2013 your favorite version of every song?

No. Most of that show was decent enough, but the immortality, especially Mike's solo, was "off the chains" as you say in North Carolina.

Some of the best earlier versions of Immortality are:

Self-Pollution
2-5-95
2-20-95
10-01-96
11-25-96
3-5-98
6-27-98
9-19-98
5-30-00
6-29-00
10-05-00

hlniv wrote:

Lukin2211 wrote:This song is perfect.

But, which is the most perfect?

Studio cut?
Dave A live?
Self Pollution?
Jack Irons live?
Matt Cameron live?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Charlotte 2013

Oh c'mon...

cutuphalfdead wrote:

hlniv wrote:

Lukin2211 wrote:This song is perfect.

But, which is the most perfect?

Studio cut?
Dave A live?
Self Pollution?
Jack Irons live?
Matt Cameron live?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Charlotte 2013

Oh c'mon...

Only because you were there with me, Pete.

I am listening to the Charlotte Immortality next.

I have not yet listened carefully.

My verdict is forthcoming.

Very strong rendition. Certainly one of the best I've heard. Hard to find much fault other than maybe Ed's sometimes wavering voice. Very good intro/outro. Solo is pretty outstanding, too, but I think what sets this one apart is the strength of Matt's playing and Stone's work.

Best ever? Eh.... not really. What it lacks is the emotion necessary for "best ever". Very tight, though, and better than most, if not all, versions of this over the last ten years I'd bet.

I'm willing to bet a version from 94/95/96 era is the best ever.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'm willing to bet a version from 94/95/96 era is the best ever.

Surely 2014 Ed can beat those...

"Im-mor-taaaa-AAAAA-aaa-li-teeeeEEEeeeeee"

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'm willing to bet a version from 94/95/96 era is the best ever.

The 95 tour was just not good