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tragabigzanda wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:It’s already a universally beloved pop culture touchstone that was ubiquitous when it came out, is still referenced constantly, and marked a sonic leap for the artist that other artists have desperately tried to catch up with

Ok here’s why I really think this isn’t true:

The other albums mentioned helped usher in entire (white) cultural shifts, and harken to the environments of their time.

Dark Side calls to mind marijuana and LSD, lava lamps and black lights, vans with shag carpeting.

Appetitive brings the Sunset Strip, the Whiskey a-Go-Go, ripped jeans, leather jackets, Aquanet and cocaine.

Nevermind is obviously the grunge era, Seattle, anti-depressants and a mass feeling of disconnecting from the culture and politics of the baby boomer generation.

What the hell does MBDTF conjur up for white people? The only things I can think of are the concurrent rise of Brooklyn as a nebulous sort of brand (though as someone who lived in Brooklyn at the time, I’m not sure it’s true), and I suppose Power could serve as a sort of metaphor for the social media age.

But I’m totally open to MBDTF serving as a cultural touchstone for black people, due to the simultaneous rise of the Obamas, the Miami Heat, and hip hop music owning the charts in general. In fact, I suspect this will be ultimately be the case.

But I just don’t see that record having the sort of impact on middle class / suburban / white America as those other albums, because the cultural changes it ushered in were never theirs to begin with.

tragabigzanda wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Top 10 maybe?
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I'd maybe bump Life & Limb for Epic Problem

LoathedVermin72 wrote:ITT trag and Joey try to minimize the cultural significance of a prominent black artist while espousing the doctrine that true blackness follows one narrow sociopolitical path

theplatypus wrote:Rolling Stone Album of the Year.
Spin Album of the Year.
Pitchfork Album of the Year.
Time Album of the Year.
Billboard Album of the Year.
The A.V. Club Album of the Year.
Pazz & Jop Album of the Year (by the largest margin of all time, breaking London Calling's 30 year old record).
Entertainment Weekly's #8 Album of All-Time.
NME's #21 Album of All-Time.
Pitchfork's #1 Album of the 10s So Far.
GQ Best Album of the 21st Century.

It's not a "black people" thing.

durdencommatyler wrote:I already admitted my part in this discussion was limited and biased by meaningless personal experience. I also lauded Kanye's contribution to the culture. And now I'm going to say that some quick internet searching proves my experience with that record does not align at all with the cultural perception and LV might be right. Even Billboard has it as the #1 record of the decade. It's high (top 5) on every list I looked at. But please, LV, continue to attack me for shit I didn't say.

Ok here’s why I really think this isn’t true:

The other albums mentioned helped usher in entire (white) cultural shifts, and harken to the environments of their time.

They call to mind sock hops, classic cars, and malt shops.

What the hell does DSOTM conjur up for people? The only thing I can think of is drugs.

tragabigzanda wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Top 10 maybe?
Hello Morning
Close Captioned
The Kill
Place/Position
Do You Like Me?
Latest Disgrace
Recap Modotti
Nightshop
Break
Life & Limb

I'd maybe bump Life & Limb for Epic Problem