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MadTIGERmaN wrote:

gems and rhinestones wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:
This guy clearly is a hack... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

I think this is the 2,214th time someone has posted that RRHOF clip when talking about Prince's guitar playing. It's the only clip anyone ever produces. I actually forgot to say in my original post "I wonder how long til someone posts the clip of Prince with Tom Petty".

As for Cobain, he's almost always in every top 10 list as the greatest of all time. He sucked, but when you kill yourself......TOP 10 in everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Cheerio

thats because Prince/his lawyers... delete just about EVERY other vid that pops up, so its about the only one thats always there LOL (and it is a great solo)

I had a friend who used to always go on and on about how great SRV was... and when ever he would put something on as an example of a great SRV track... it was ALWAYS a Hendrix cover... yeah, try convincing a Hendrix fan that someone does his song better? good luck with that pal.

Yeah, he makes it damn near impossible to find his stuff. If you know really specifically what you're looking for (like that version of Just My Imagination I posted above), you can find most of it somewhere, but it can be a bitch (not to mention it makes it really hard for people to discover his stuff on their own). Here's another one of his more famous solos, Joy In Repetition from One Nite Alone Live...

http://www.jukebo.fr/prince/clip,joy-in ... su8mp.html

And here he is tearing up on SNL doing Fury...

http://tony.buzznet.com/user/video/1622 ... -snl-fury/

So there's three non-RRHOF solos that show his prowess.

Kevin Davis wrote:

Were it not for Cobain, I would never have picked up a guitar. I'm sure there's countless kids who grew up at the same time who would say the same. I've always thought his high placement on lists of that nature was a nod to his immense influence rather than an assessment of his technical mastery.

I guess I just feel like this kind of defeats the purpose (futile as it is anyway) of a "greatest guitarists" list. Not that it should be all about sheer technical mastery, but once "influence" becomes relevant criteria, the exercise ceases to be an analysis of guitar playing and simply becomes an analysis of cultural iconography--which is fine, but a different list.

It's an analysis of artistry, guy.

Varis wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:I had a friend who used to always go on and on about how great SRV was... and when ever he would put something on as an example of a great SRV track... it was ALWAYS a Hendrix cover... yeah, try convincing a Hendrix fan that someone does his song better? good luck with that pal.

The dude was doing it wrong:

spike wrote:It's an analysis of artistry, guy.

Analysis of artistry--yet a third list. Though there's bound to be overlap, one's ability to create art is not the same thing as one's ability to play an instrument, and neither of them are the same thing as influence. I suppose without having strict guidelines as to how to compile the list, one would have no choice but to apply his own arbitrary criteria to the process (I'm sure Rolling Stone's criteria were something to the effect of, "Make sure you find a way for us to work pictures of all these famous rock stars into this article"), but I do think these greatest guitarists lists are supposed to signify something specific about technique, mastery of theory, originality of approach, virtuosity to an extent--something that specifically aims to isolate the mechanical aspects of the guitar playing from the remainder of the art, not leave them inextricably bound to it. Otherwise it's just a bunch of guys naming the guitarists in their favorite bands.

The paragraph on Cobain basically begins by saying that not being a great guitar player is what made him a great guitar player. That's not the case; he was never a great guitar player. His guitar playing was the right thing for his band, which is far more important than being a great standalone guitarist, but still, a lot of bands have guitarists whose playing is the perfect fit for what they're doing. Paul Stanley's guitar playing was just as fitting for KISS's music as Kurt Cobain's guitar playing was for Nirvana's, and KISS was surely a comparable cultural force--should Paul Stanley be on the list? Or Bob Dylan--undoubtedly, as many folkies picked up guitars after hearing Dylan as alt-rockers did after hearing Cobain--should Dylan be on the list too?

I'm all in favor of these lists being considered beyond the standby classic rock shredders but I think the criteria of "artistry" and "influence" are just too broad. The justification Rolling Stone ultimately gave for including Cobain ("unconventional chord progression and mastery of loud-quiet-loud dynamics") are largely irrelevant to his guitar playing, signaling instead (a) his compositional abilities, a fundamental talent independent of his guitar skill, and (b) his ability to properly operate a distortion pedal.

Kevin Davis: Outwording you 100:1 since 2010.

Kevin Davis wrote:I do think these greatest guitarists lists are supposed to signify something specific about technique, mastery of theory, originality of approach, virtuosity to an extent--something that specifically aims to isolate the mechanical aspects of the guitar playing from the remainder of the art, not leave them inextricably bound to it. Otherwise it's just a bunch of guys naming the guitarists in their favorite bands.

Considering they usually omit every great flamenco, classical, latin, fusion and jazz player and usually most important blues guitarists (e.g. Seasick Steve appears but not Son House), I don't think these lists ever have much to do with the guitar.

in fairness, I think (in Rolling Stone, anyway), rock guitarist is probably implied. When a jazz magazine does a list like this do they include rock guitarists?

I like the cut of your jib, t2b.

What also hasnt been mentioned here about Prince and his playing... is the guy is what, self taught on 20 some instruments? hes not just a guitar player... bass, drums, piano...

When you hear his solo's, they never feel too improved, but that also keeps them from over taking the song. He knows music / the songs forward and backwards. I would put him in the realm of Ray Charles genius, with how he constructs his songs.

Problem is... most of the stuff Prince puts out? we dont wanna listen too lol

but that new band has me intrigued... ive always wondered what some of his 80's stuff would sound like with more raw guitar's and less cheesy 80's keyboards.

Prince is awesome, but that Even Flow thing wasn't exploding my balls or anything. Nothing to write home about.

it showed off the baseline nicely

The bass line was really good too.

gems and rhinestones wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:
This guy clearly is a hack... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

I think this is the 2,214th time someone has posted that RRHOF clip when talking about Prince's guitar playing. It's the only clip anyone ever produces. I actually forgot to say in my original post "I wonder how long til someone posts the clip of Prince with Tom Petty".

Cheerio

gems and rhinestones, I think people produce that clip because it's one of the best guitar solos we've heard. He plays inside the rhythm of the song so well and creates levels of energy that brings the audience right along for the climb. I wish our lead guitarist could do it as effortlessly.

Why dog on Prince? I wish more great artists would cover Pearl Jam.

I suspect that clip gets posted a lot because it is also the first time many people (I include myself here for sure) every realized that Prince is a great guitar player. His hits don't really showcase his skills at all.

stip wrote:in fairness, I think (in Rolling Stone, anyway), rock guitarist is probably implied. When a jazz magazine does a list like this do they include rock guitarists?

It would be ok if you were right.

Latin/Fusion/Jazz
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists ... a-20101202

Country
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists ... n-20111122

Blues (there's actually pretty good representation) including
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists ... n-20111122
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists ... r-20111122

welp, that's enough out of me, then

some audio finally surfaced.



it's a decent but not full sounding recording. listen now, knowing prince it may not be up long.

That's pretty cool, thanks for posting it

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:That's pretty cool, thanks for posting it

What the Good Doctor said.