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Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 9:22 pm
by Norah
Birds in Hell wrote:Someone else may know better than me, but I'm doubtful they were recording 24 bit audio to DAT in 1998 - you may wish to bear that in mind when purchasing the HD-FLAC option.
I bought them regardless due to the slightly increased dynamic range that Brett seems to leave in the HD files, but that may not be worth it to some.
Hopefully I can get a nice 24-bit waffle dinner when I get home tonight.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 9:22 pm
by Wendy Carlos's Twin
wtfisaledbetter? wrote:Its mentioned on the website in the description now that Ledbetter and PMPM are missing due to tape limitations. Whomever runs PJ radio posted on that forum that they probably used DAT back then and ran out of tape or got caught doing a tape flip and Ledbetter was missed.
They should have patched the tape changes with the raw board tape like they did with Tampa 2000 and East Rutherford 2006 boots. They probably figured people would complain about a change in quality or something.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 9:23 pm
by Norah
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:wtfisaledbetter? wrote:Its mentioned on the website in the description now that Ledbetter and PMPM are missing due to tape limitations. Whomever runs PJ radio posted on that forum that they probably used DAT back then and ran out of tape or got caught doing a tape flip and Ledbetter was missed.
They should have patched the tape changes with the raw board tape like they did with Tampa 2000 and East Rutherford 2006 boots. They probably figured people would complain about a change in quality or something.
I'm not home so I can't check my hard drive, but do we have a decent recording floating around of this show that we can patch them with ourselves?
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 9:23 pm
by Birds in Hell
cutuphalfdead wrote:Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:wtfisaledbetter? wrote:Its mentioned on the website in the description now that Ledbetter and PMPM are missing due to tape limitations. Whomever runs PJ radio posted on that forum that they probably used DAT back then and ran out of tape or got caught doing a tape flip and Ledbetter was missed.
They should have patched the tape changes with the raw board tape like they did with Tampa 2000 and East Rutherford 2006 boots. They probably figured people would complain about a change in quality or something.
I'm not home so I can't check my hard drive, but do we have a decent recording floating around of this show that we can patch them with ourselves?
Yes, there's a decent audience source.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 9:24 pm
by Norah
Birds in Hell wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:wtfisaledbetter? wrote:Its mentioned on the website in the description now that Ledbetter and PMPM are missing due to tape limitations. Whomever runs PJ radio posted on that forum that they probably used DAT back then and ran out of tape or got caught doing a tape flip and Ledbetter was missed.
They should have patched the tape changes with the raw board tape like they did with Tampa 2000 and East Rutherford 2006 boots. They probably figured people would complain about a change in quality or something.
I'm not home so I can't check my hard drive, but do we have a decent recording floating around of this show that we can patch them with ourselves?
Yes, there's a decent audience source.
Cool. Now make me some waffles.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 9:25 pm
by EJ
Birds in Hell wrote:
Yes, there's a decent audience source.
Yup, and that's my only hesitation in getting this. Is the sound appreciably better on this vault show?
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 9:27 pm
by Birds in Hell
EJ wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:
Yes, there's a decent audience source.
Yup, and that's my only hesitation in getting this. Is the sound appreciably better on this vault show?
Dude, of course it is.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 9:27 pm
by Birds in Hell
cutuphalfdead wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:wtfisaledbetter? wrote:Its mentioned on the website in the description now that Ledbetter and PMPM are missing due to tape limitations. Whomever runs PJ radio posted on that forum that they probably used DAT back then and ran out of tape or got caught doing a tape flip and Ledbetter was missed.
They should have patched the tape changes with the raw board tape like they did with Tampa 2000 and East Rutherford 2006 boots. They probably figured people would complain about a change in quality or something.
I'm not home so I can't check my hard drive, but do we have a decent recording floating around of this show that we can patch them with ourselves?
Yes, there's a decent audience source.
Cool. Now make me some waffles.
Oh you.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 9:27 pm
by Norah
Birds in Hell wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:wtfisaledbetter? wrote:Its mentioned on the website in the description now that Ledbetter and PMPM are missing due to tape limitations. Whomever runs PJ radio posted on that forum that they probably used DAT back then and ran out of tape or got caught doing a tape flip and Ledbetter was missed.
They should have patched the tape changes with the raw board tape like they did with Tampa 2000 and East Rutherford 2006 boots. They probably figured people would complain about a change in quality or something.
I'm not home so I can't check my hard drive, but do we have a decent recording floating around of this show that we can patch them with ourselves?
Yes, there's a decent audience source.
Cool. Now make me some waffles.
Oh you.
Just do it.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 9:30 pm
by tooch
immortality is also not working right now
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 10:12 pm
by twoheadedboy
Birds in Hell wrote:Someone else may know better than me, but I'm doubtful they were recording 24 bit audio to DAT in 1998 - you may wish to bear that in mind when purchasing the HD-FLAC option.
I bought them regardless due to the slightly increased dynamic range that Brett seems to leave in the HD files, but that may not be worth it to some.
Don't be bringin' dat dere teknawlogee talk in here, people folk don' want none of that.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 10:34 pm
by WtOB?
verb_to_trust wrote:I want to buy the vinyl but I haven't been 10c since 2011

Dude, I'm with ya.
First time since I haven't been a member where I wish I was.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 10:36 pm
by Rangi Guy
I'm really debating getting this thing on vinyl - the big question is....will it just sit there in the shelf, or will it get a spin or two
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 11:02 pm
by Fuzzcharger
WtOB? wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:I want to buy the vinyl but I haven't been 10c since 2011

Dude, I'm with ya.
First time since I haven't been a member where I wish I was.
I'll let you look at mine when it arrives. But you can't touch it okay.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 11:08 pm
by matt reeder
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:wtfisaledbetter? wrote:Its mentioned on the website in the description now that Ledbetter and PMPM are missing due to tape limitations. Whomever runs PJ radio posted on that forum that they probably used DAT back then and ran out of tape or got caught doing a tape flip and Ledbetter was missed.
They should have patched the tape changes with the raw board tape like they did with Tampa 2000 and East Rutherford 2006 boots. They probably figured people would complain about a change in quality or something.
Weren't most DAT tapes 90 minutes or so? If they were running DAT tapes you would figure they would have just changed the tapes during the encore break.
Again, I hate to be a stickler but the bands' overall incompetence in their business practices over the past few years is enough to make one have these sorts of questions.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 11:14 pm
by WtOB?
Fuzzcharger wrote:WtOB? wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:I want to buy the vinyl but I haven't been 10c since 2011

Dude, I'm with ya.
First time since I haven't been a member where I wish I was.
I'll let you look at mine when it arrives. But you can't touch it okay.

Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 11:15 pm
by Wendy Carlos's Twin
matt reeder wrote:If they were running DAT tapes you would figure they would have just changed the tapes during the encore break.
Good point.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 11:25 pm
by B
WtOB? wrote:Fuzzcharger wrote:WtOB? wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:I want to buy the vinyl but I haven't been 10c since 2011

Dude, I'm with ya.
First time since I haven't been a member where I wish I was.
I'll let you look at mine when it arrives. But you can't touch it okay.

Buy mine, and I'll purchase yours for you. It doesn't look like there is a limit. Paypal me $110.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 11:27 pm
by WtOB?
B wrote:WtOB? wrote:Fuzzcharger wrote:WtOB? wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:I want to buy the vinyl but I haven't been 10c since 2011

Dude, I'm with ya.
First time since I haven't been a member where I wish I was.
I'll let you look at mine when it arrives. But you can't touch it okay.

Buy mine, and I'll purchase yours for you. It doesn't look like there is a limit. Paypal me $110.
Not gonna happen.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Mon June 10, 2013 11:37 pm
by ridleybradout
wtfisaledbetter? wrote:Its mentioned on the website in the description now that Ledbetter and PMPM are missing due to tape limitations.
Tenclub wrote:Due to tape limitataions of the time, push me/pull you and yellow ledbetter are not included in this release.
All the same, I'm seriously considering rejoining as a digital member to snag me some vinyl...