taffer wrote:harmless i'm not blaming anyone, but all those talking about "fast Matt" are just annoying and ridiculous, he's been around for 15 years and i just cant imagine he couldnt learn the proper tempo.
I remember someone from the old board has blamed Matt that he couldn't play the proper intro for the Why go, back in 2003.
It's just guitars
(imho)
What's just guitars? You don't care about drums, you don't understand people's critiques of Matt, therefore they're not important? I don't really want to have this conversation again, but Matt has his problems and I don't think you have to be unfair to the guy to admit that.
I'm thinking guitars are bit too fast ,no? for example Corduroy, hence Matt has to play faster. So what's Matt problem beside he's playing to fast?
taffer wrote:harmless i'm not blaming anyone, but all those talking about "fast Matt" are just annoying and ridiculous, he's been around for 15 years and i just cant imagine he couldnt learn the proper tempo.
I remember someone from the old board has blamed Matt that he couldn't play the proper intro for the Why go, back in 2003.
It's just guitars
(imho)
What's just guitars? You don't care about drums, you don't understand people's critiques of Matt, therefore they're not important? I don't really want to have this conversation again, but Matt has his problems and I don't think you have to be unfair to the guy to admit that.
I'm thinking guitars are bit too fast ,no? for example Corduroy, hence Matt has to play faster. So what's Matt problem beside he's playing to fast?
taffer wrote:harmless i'm not blaming anyone, but all those talking about "fast Matt" are just annoying and ridiculous, he's been around for 15 years and i just cant imagine he couldnt learn the proper tempo.
I remember someone from the old board has blamed Matt that he couldn't play the proper intro for the Why go, back in 2003.
It's just guitars
(imho)
What's just guitars? You don't care about drums, you don't understand people's critiques of Matt, therefore they're not important? I don't really want to have this conversation again, but Matt has his problems and I don't think you have to be unfair to the guy to admit that.
No, but blaming matt for sped up tempos is pretty absurd...
It's like blaming the butcher for an overcooked steak
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taffer wrote:harmless i'm not blaming anyone, but all those talking about "fast Matt" are just annoying and ridiculous, he's been around for 15 years and i just cant imagine he couldnt learn the proper tempo.
I remember someone from the old board has blamed Matt that he couldn't play the proper intro for the Why go, back in 2003.
It's just guitars
(imho)
What's just guitars? You don't care about drums, you don't understand people's critiques of Matt, therefore they're not important? I don't really want to have this conversation again, but Matt has his problems and I don't think you have to be unfair to the guy to admit that.
I'm thinking guitars are bit too fast ,no? for example Corduroy, hence Matt has to play faster. So what's Matt problem beside he's playing to fast?
And why i no care about drums? I do
harmless gets a little emotional about this stuff
It's true, I do. The only reason I mentioned caring about drums is that a lot of people address my criticisms of Matt with "Well no one cares about drums anyway", and that gets my goat, so I apologise if that's not what you were doing. I have no interest in scapegoating Matt for PJ's problems; that's not what I'm doing. But I'm not the biggest fan of Matt for things I notice about him. Yes, some PJ songs are started too fast by the guitar and Matt has to keep up, but other songs are either clicked in too fast by Matt, or become much faster after Matt joins in. So you know, it's an either / or thing. When these things happen it's everyone's "fault" for not feeling the need to be a tighter band. But that's their prerogative.... as well as to have a little fun.
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taffer wrote:harmless i'm not blaming anyone, but all those talking about "fast Matt" are just annoying and ridiculous, he's been around for 15 years and i just cant imagine he couldnt learn the proper tempo.
I remember someone from the old board has blamed Matt that he couldn't play the proper intro for the Why go, back in 2003.
It's just guitars
(imho)
What's just guitars? You don't care about drums, you don't understand people's critiques of Matt, therefore they're not important? I don't really want to have this conversation again, but Matt has his problems and I don't think you have to be unfair to the guy to admit that.
I'm thinking guitars are bit too fast ,no? for example Corduroy, hence Matt has to play faster. So what's Matt problem beside he's playing to fast?
taffer wrote:harmless i'm not blaming anyone, but all those talking about "fast Matt" are just annoying and ridiculous, he's been around for 15 years and i just cant imagine he couldnt learn the proper tempo.
I remember someone from the old board has blamed Matt that he couldn't play the proper intro for the Why go, back in 2003.
It's just guitars
(imho)
What's just guitars? You don't care about drums, you don't understand people's critiques of Matt, therefore they're not important? I don't really want to have this conversation again, but Matt has his problems and I don't think you have to be unfair to the guy to admit that.
No, but blaming matt for sped up tempos is pretty absurd...
It's like blaming the butcher for an overcooked steak
How? Is Matt not part of the "cooking" process when they play live?
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Jack Irons can hoover my wonger with his carpel tunnel
Hey, guess what: you might like to know that lately I'm agreeing with people who say his style would totally fit current PJ. That's a big step for me.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
And one more question, what are you thinking about studio version of wma is it all right? that drum loop? No offense
Well yeah, it's pretty great. Is it a sampled loop? Possibly I can't remember. It's very well played though, and the song suits the loop.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
Jack Irons can hoover my wonger with his carpel tunnel
Hey, guess what: you might like to know that lately I'm agreeing with people who say his style would totally fit current PJ. That's a big step for me.
I do remember seeing Pj in 95 with Irons on drum and having a feeling of "Well, this sounds different, its not...heavy"
Of course i was 15 and had only the albums and shitty bootlegs with Dave A on drums but i do remember feeling a tiny bit let down on the wall of sound. It was interesting. but looking back - Absolutely love his groove and his time with the band
Jack Irons can hoover my wonger with his carpel tunnel
Hey, guess what: you might like to know that lately I'm agreeing with people who say his style would totally fit current PJ. That's a big step for me.
Hey I love them all, cause you know, im strat!
I think when all is said and done and PJ call it a day, I'm going to be pining for every musician who ever played for them.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
Jack Irons can hoover my wonger with his carpel tunnel
Hey, guess what: you might like to know that lately I'm agreeing with people who say his style would totally fit current PJ. That's a big step for me.
I do remember seeing Pj in 95 with Irons on drum and having a feeling of "Well, this sounds different, its not...heavy"
Of course i was 15 and had only the albums and shitty bootlegs with Dave A on drums but i do remember feeling a tiny bit let down on the wall of sound. It was interesting. but looking back - Absolutely love his groove and his time with the band
Yeah. My general feeling is that Jack brought *texture* to the music and instrumentation which has produced some of their best music. But "loudness" wasn't what he was going for, and I think I was disappointed by that too at the time and maybe never fully recovered from the disappointment. Ideally I would love a drummer with Jack's appreciation for laid-back "folk-subtlety" combined with Dave A.'s expertise with complexity, funk and aggression. But you can't have everything... unless you're Loel Campbell.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
Jack Irons can hoover my wonger with his carpel tunnel
Hey, guess what: you might like to know that lately I'm agreeing with people who say his style would totally fit current PJ. That's a big step for me.
Hey I love them all, cause you know, im strat!
I think when all is said and done and PJ call it a day, I'm going to be pining for every musician who ever played for them.
I dont want PJ to call it a day
Me neither. But I honestly feel like they might be on an upward trajectory for this album, so if album #11 or album #12 is a near-masterpiece I'd be happy enough for them to leave it there.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
And one more question, what are you thinking about studio version of wma is it all right? that drum loop? No offense
Well yeah, it's pretty great. Is it a sampled loop? Possibly I can't remember. It's very well played though, and the song suits the loop.
Yeah i believe that has been recorded as a sampled loop, suits just cos of Dave playing?
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Thank you again for your honestly answers, i know i'm bit annoying
Um, no, not just because it's Dave. The song is a drone which rises "like a wave" but remains on the same simple chord progression throughout, so because it's a drone, the "droning" looped drums suit the intent. They're tribal drums, which are by nature repetitive and trance-like.
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