Red Mosquito

Brett wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

Brett wrote:I've never really noticed much similarity between Zeppelin and Pearl Jam, so I don't really understand the point of this thread. Is it just meant to point out that Pearl Jam's guitar players aren't as technically adept as Jimmy Page?

look man, my favorite existing band , Pearl Jam, just released a great album. It's catchy as hell.if lz hadn't existedi id probably have no complaints . I'm frustrated. I hope I'm just having a boring week and thatt it has nothing to do with gigaton ... but I fear it pushed me into another Led Zeppelin phase. I know I'll get back to listening to gigaton some but LZ is all i feel like listening to now. During the lead-up to gigatons release I focused on the album length and LZ comparison rumors. I feel like a kid who was promised Cracker Jacks but reached into the box only to find mushy, uncooked mountain oysters.

For me, instrumentation is the foundation of an album and quality vocals are just a bonus.
Regarding instrumentation, I like the atmospherics in 0700, the short heavy jam in Quick Escape, Matt and Jeff in Quick Escape, the outro in retrograde, the catchty guitar chord in retrograde, DOTC, Ed's short intro/outro in Comes then goes, mikes solos, etc but none of it is nearly enough for what i want on the next album! PJ have been at this for how many years now?! I want an album that will impress the legendary Jimmy Page!

I get it, these songs wouldn't sound right With the kind of instrumentation I'm wanting and I'm glad these songs exist but I want what I want and I'm here venting about it. All will be good if they give me a Led Zeppelin album next time around!

I think Greta Van Fleet's band name is dumb and they currently suck but if those kids ever figure out how to write songs...if Pearl Jam dont want to get showed up by a group of kids they better improve in all aspects.

Alright, I think I see what you're trying to get at here, but I think you have the wrong idea about what Pearl Jam is and how they work. For me, at least, this has never been a band that was about the technical ability of the musicians, because honestly, it's not really that advanced. These guys are stellar performers and expressive players. Throughout much of their career, they've also been pretty top notch songwriters. That's where they excel: the writing, the emotive and expressive qualities of their work, and the performances.

You don't seem to be getting what you want out of Pearl Jam, and the only reason you seem to be trying is because they have an authentic classic rock lineage. It's hard to take you seriously otherwise because you tend to rant, use the same writing style as an ornery Grandma on Facebook or Donald Trump on Twitter, and you keep bringing up Greta Van Fleet who have shown questionable promise at best.

Leatherhead wrote:Gigaton raises the bar. Just not in the way you'd like.

reconstruction_ seeds wrote: Ok, I'll be serious and not awnry.

Valid points. Yeah, PJ are great at the things you mentioned. If pj want to keep releasing albums without raising the bar for themselves, thats their choice and right to do so. Whether or not people will continue to eat it up is on the band.

It almost seems theres an unspoken 'instrumental sections are taboo' protocol applicable only to guitar, bass and drums but not electronica, which must be followed. But most bands who were/are generally considered great had them. I kinda think pj are in the former category, possibly due to Ed's love of punk but they could be coming out of it. Mike did talk about feeling liberated in reference to this album.

Great bands like Page/LZ first 'decided ' to make instrument-based albums.Page then invested the time/effort into piecing together chords and picking to form the music. The repetitiion necessary to form music in that way would be a daunting task for anyone. Its not so much technical proficiency as it was creativity, perfectionism and willpower. Im not claiming Page wasnt technically proficient.

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

Brett wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

Brett wrote:I've never really noticed much similarity between Zeppelin and Pearl Jam, so I don't really understand the point of this thread. Is it just meant to point out that Pearl Jam's guitar players aren't as technically adept as Jimmy Page?

look man, my favorite existing band , Pearl Jam, just released a great album. It's catchy as hell.if lz hadn't existedi id probably have no complaints . I'm frustrated. I hope I'm just having a boring week and thatt it has nothing to do with gigaton ... but I fear it pushed me into another Led Zeppelin phase. I know I'll get back to listening to gigaton some but LZ is all i feel like listening to now. During the lead-up to gigatons release I focused on the album length and LZ comparison rumors. I feel like a kid who was promised Cracker Jacks but reached into the box only to find mushy, uncooked mountain oysters.

For me, instrumentation is the foundation of an album and quality vocals are just a bonus.
Regarding instrumentation, I like the atmospherics in 0700, the short heavy jam in Quick Escape, Matt and Jeff in Quick Escape, the outro in retrograde, the catchty guitar chord in retrograde, DOTC, Ed's short intro/outro in Comes then goes, mikes solos, etc but none of it is nearly enough for what i want on the next album! PJ have been at this for how many years now?! I want an album that will impress the legendary Jimmy Page!

I get it, these songs wouldn't sound right With the kind of instrumentation I'm wanting and I'm glad these songs exist but I want what I want and I'm here venting about it. All will be good if they give me a Led Zeppelin album next time around!

I think Greta Van Fleet's band name is dumb and they currently suck but if those kids ever figure out how to write songs...if Pearl Jam dont want to get showed up by a group of kids they better improve in all aspects.

Alright, I think I see what you're trying to get at here, but I think you have the wrong idea about what Pearl Jam is and how they work. For me, at least, this has never been a band that was about the technical ability of the musicians, because honestly, it's not really that advanced. These guys are stellar performers and expressive players. Throughout much of their career, they've also been pretty top notch songwriters. That's where they excel: the writing, the emotive and expressive qualities of their work, and the performances.

You don't seem to be getting what you want out of Pearl Jam, and the only reason you seem to be trying is because they have an authentic classic rock lineage. It's hard to take you seriously otherwise because you tend to rant, use the same writing style as an ornery Grandma on Facebook or Donald Trump on Twitter, and you keep bringing up Greta Van Fleet who have shown questionable promise at best.

Ok, I'll be serious and not awnry.

Valid points. Yeah, PJ are great at the things you mentioned. If pj want to keep releasing albums without raising the bar for themselves, thats their choice and right to do so. Whether or not people will continue to eat it up is on the band.

It almost seems theres an unspoken 'instrumental sections are taboo' protocol applicable only to guitar, bass and drums but not electronica, which must be followed. But most bands who were/are generally considered great had them. I kinda think pj are in the former category, possibly due to Ed's love of punk but they could be coming out of it. Mike did talk about feeling liberated in reference to this album.

Great bands like Page/LZ first 'decided ' to make instrument-based albums.Page then invested the time/effort into piecing together chords and picking to form the music. The repetitiion necessary to form music in that way would be a daunting task for anyone. Its not so much technical proficiency as it was creativity, perfectionism and willpower. Im not claiming Page wasnt technically proficient.

Ms Harmless wrote:stars align they say when threads are better than right now

liebzz wrote:I think of you are waiting for Pearl Jam to become a great rock band, it’s time to move on. They’ve been at it 30 years now, and if you think they are not there yet then you are never going to think that.

Personally, I think Pearl Jam was consistently the greatest band on the planet from 1991-2006 and they are now producing surprisingly great material in Gigaton. In fact, left with a choice between Pearl Jam’s output and Led Zeppelin’s, I wouldn’t even need to hesitate or think. I would take Pearl Jam’s hands down. And that’s coming from someone who loves zeppelin (see the Led Zeppelin thread where I went album to album in a straight shot).

liebzz wrote:I think of you are waiting for Pearl Jam to become a great rock band, it’s time to move on. They’ve been at it 30 years now, and if you think they are not there yet then you are never going to think that.

Personally, I think Pearl Jam was consistently the greatest band on the planet from 1991-2006 and they are now producing surprisingly great material in Gigaton. In fact, left with a choice between Pearl Jam’s output and Led Zeppelin’s, I wouldn’t even need to hesitate or think. I would take Pearl Jam’s hands down. And that’s coming from someone who loves zeppelin (see the Led Zeppelin thread where I went album to album in a straight shot).

liebzz wrote:I’d like Pearl Jam to open up more but from an improvisational standpoint, not sound more like Led Zeppelin. I think they did a bit better on that front with Gigaton where the songs move around quite a bit.

As far as more instrumental sections, a lot of that happened with the Avocado album and is really what I appreciate most about it. Life Wasted, Severed Hand, even to some extent Marker in the Sand, definitely Inside Job. I think Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are both too tight in that regard. Gigaton balances all this very well in my opinion.

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

liebzz wrote:I think of you are waiting for Pearl Jam to become a great rock band, it’s time to move on. They’ve been at it 30 years now, and if you think they are not there yet then you are never going to think that.

Personally, I think Pearl Jam was consistently the greatest band on the planet from 1991-2006 and they are now producing surprisingly great material in Gigaton. In fact, left with a choice between Pearl Jam’s output and Led Zeppelin’s, I wouldn’t even need to hesitate or think. I would take Pearl Jam’s hands down. And that’s coming from someone who loves zeppelin (see the Led Zeppelin thread where I went album to album in a straight shot).

Yes they were the best band during that time. You might prefer Pearl Jam over Led Zeppelin's music but lz dwarfs Pearl Jam's in every aspect of musicianship.lz had the more memorable melodies too, many which became classics. Pearl Jam wins over Led Zeppelin at having a larger catalog of equality music. if John Bonham would have lived it probably would have changed all of that.

"vitalogy" era was the end of all your hopes in this regard. ed's band and ed also likes his guitars a certain way. we've had 25 years of ed's influence in that aspect. you had less than 3 with stone before stone fell off on his own love of more complex stylings

i almost feel like you would like some latter green river or mother love bone better if this type of guitar work is what you're after.

your only hope for what you wish would happen is stone and clearly stone is on the same ship as ed now as all he ever mentions in interviews is "simplicity is more important" type shit.

are you a guitarist because you sound like one or has a friend of yours told you pj sucks because of their simple music? i am one and pj is not one of the bands i go to for fun guitar work. stone in mother love bone was glorious work, though.