Red Mosquito

WtOB? wrote:I actually really like Jar Jar Binks.

dimejinky99 wrote:I know

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

WtOB? wrote:I actually really like Jar Jar Binks.

It's OK man, there is help available for special people like you.

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:Awww, it's a lovely Star Wars romance moment.

dkfan9 wrote:

harmless wrote:

bthunders wrote:I don't think punk rock can truly be defined. When it started there wasn't a mold or a set of rules, or a sound, or a blueprint. The bands weren't influenced by punk rock because it didn't exist, so it was a pure thing. So, a lot of the bands sounded different. I think it's more of an attitude(I know, sounds cliché) and almost a set of morals and general way of being. Most of the first punk bands didn't sound anything like each other. It wasn't until the 2nd wave of punk influenced punk bands that a "sound" was developed. To me, what makes certain PJ songs punk or punk influenced is the intention and attitude behind them, more than the sound.

I don't know, I'm drunk, so hopefully all of that made sense with the thread, haha.

A very similar argument can be made of 'grunge'. Not a style but a set of styles and an attitude thrown together by a set of bands in a time and place. One of the sounds in grunge was punk. Nirvana majored on the sound and PJ flirted with it. It's the same to this day and I don't think this is PJ 'trying to do punk' any more than any other Seattle song was any other band 'doing' punk.

The four big grunge bands had some dirt in their sound. Nirvana (punk/raw) & AiC (sludge) more than PJ & SG, but all four had it. And then there was the anger, present in all four but often of different natures and expressed differently. PJ had the most righteous anger. AiC's the most desperate. Nirvana's anger always came off as a bit nihilistic for my tastes.

stip wrote:yup, I relate to that first joke now.


Okay, so here is the obviously follow up question. What pearl jam songs do you consider punk songs (or punk influenced) and what songs do you consider, for lack of a better term, near-punk (influenced by a major offshot)

Lukin, Comatose, Supersonic, Mind Your Manners?

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:yup, I relate to that first joke now.


Okay, so here is the obviously follow up question. What pearl jam songs do you consider punk songs (or punk influenced) and what songs do you consider, for lack of a better term, near-punk (influenced by a major offshot)

Lukin, Comatose, Supersonic, Mind Your Manners?

I would add Spin the Black Circle and Satan's Bed for sure. Probably Last Exit, too. Habit, Green Disease, Life Wasted maybe. Got Some and The Fixer both have strong New Wave influences, I think. So you can count those of offshot-inspired. Maybe, maybe Hitchhiker. Though I'm sure a half decent argument could sway me against that one.

harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:yup, I relate to that first joke now.


Okay, so here is the obviously follow up question. What pearl jam songs do you consider punk songs (or punk influenced) and what songs do you consider, for lack of a better term, near-punk (influenced by a major offshot)

Lukin, Comatose, Supersonic, Mind Your Manners?

I would add Spin the Black Circle and Satan's Bed for sure. Probably Last Exit, too. Habit, Green Disease, Life Wasted maybe. Got Some and The Fixer both have strong New Wave influences, I think. So you can count those of offshot-inspired. Maybe, maybe Hitchhiker. Though I'm sure a half decent argument could sway me against that one.

A few things off Lost Dogs? Hitchhiker, Gremmie (surf rock/Beach Boys -- offshoot) and Leaving Here (same again, but also Eddie Cochran -- an influence on punk and new wave, if I'm getting my music history right).

durdencommatyler wrote:

harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:yup, I relate to that first joke now.


Okay, so here is the obviously follow up question. What pearl jam songs do you consider punk songs (or punk influenced) and what songs do you consider, for lack of a better term, near-punk (influenced by a major offshot)

Lukin, Comatose, Supersonic, Mind Your Manners?

I would add Spin the Black Circle and Satan's Bed for sure. Probably Last Exit, too. Habit, Green Disease, Life Wasted maybe. Got Some and The Fixer both have strong New Wave influences, I think. So you can count those of offshot-inspired. Maybe, maybe Hitchhiker. Though I'm sure a half decent argument could sway me against that one.

A few things off Lost Dogs? Hitchhiker, Gremmie (surf rock/Beach Boys -- offshoot) and Leaving Here (same again, but also Eddie Cochran -- an influence on punk and new wave, if I'm getting my music history right).

I was avoiding the covers, but yes. Definitely Gremmie and Leaving Here. What about U? It's soupy sentimentality, but I think musically there's a bit of a punk backbone.

harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:yup, I relate to that first joke now.


Okay, so here is the obviously follow up question. What pearl jam songs do you consider punk songs (or punk influenced) and what songs do you consider, for lack of a better term, near-punk (influenced by a major offshot)

Lukin, Comatose, Supersonic, Mind Your Manners?

I would add Spin the Black Circle and Satan's Bed for sure. Probably Last Exit, too. Habit, Green Disease, Life Wasted maybe. Got Some and The Fixer both have strong New Wave influences, I think. So you can count those of offshot-inspired. Maybe, maybe Hitchhiker. Though I'm sure a half decent argument could sway me against that one.

A few things off Lost Dogs? Hitchhiker, Gremmie (surf rock/Beach Boys -- offshoot) and Leaving Here (same again, but also Eddie Cochran -- an influence on punk and new wave, if I'm getting my music history right).

I was avoiding the covers, but yes. Definitely Gremmie and Leaving Here. What about U? It's soupy sentimentality, but I think musically there's a bit of a punk backbone.

I hear slightly earlier, Eddie Cochran again. But yes. I wish they'd do more Eddie Cochran / Chuck Berry / Roy Orbison (?) ripoffs, basically. Hope to see one or two on the new album.

durdencommatyler wrote:

harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:yup, I relate to that first joke now.


Okay, so here is the obviously follow up question. What pearl jam songs do you consider punk songs (or punk influenced) and what songs do you consider, for lack of a better term, near-punk (influenced by a major offshot)

Lukin, Comatose, Supersonic, Mind Your Manners?

I would add Spin the Black Circle and Satan's Bed for sure. Probably Last Exit, too. Habit, Green Disease, Life Wasted maybe. Got Some and The Fixer both have strong New Wave influences, I think. So you can count those of offshot-inspired. Maybe, maybe Hitchhiker. Though I'm sure a half decent argument could sway me against that one.

A few things off Lost Dogs? Hitchhiker, Gremmie (surf rock/Beach Boys -- offshoot) and Leaving Here (same again, but also Eddie Cochran -- an influence on punk and new wave, if I'm getting my music history right).

I was avoiding the covers, but yes. Definitely Gremmie and Leaving Here. What about U? It's soupy sentimentality, but I think musically there's a bit of a punk backbone.

I hear slightly earlier, Eddie Cochran again. But yes. I wish they'd do more Eddie Cochran / Chuck Berry / Roy Orbison (?) ripoffs, basically. Hope to see one or two on the new album.

Oh, sure, sure. I can totally hear that. I don't know that I've really noticed that before, but yes.

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm all about themes and concepts, but mostly I just want a group of songs that hang well together. And if they can do it, the more influences, the more genres, the better. But that's a secondary characteristic for me.

harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm all about themes and concepts, but mostly I just want a group of songs that hang well together. And if they can do it, the more influences, the more genres, the better. But that's a secondary characteristic for me.

Yeah. Tbh at this point they could do an entire album of fast punk songs, and as long as they were as good as this, I'd think it was something new from PJ and I'd dig it. And I never thought I'd be saying that.

durdencommatyler wrote:I'd love to hear them open a show I was at with Tremor Christ. Then maybe go right into Mind Your Manners.