Red Mosquito

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Mickey wrote:Trying to imagine thinking that there's even remotely a central conflict in this show without the chaos energy of Ava's character.

Something with terrorists maybe

Mickey wrote:Trying to imagine thinking that there's even remotely a central conflict in this show without the chaos energy of Ava's character.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Mickey wrote:Without the impulses which come from Ava (and absent the introduction of what would almost certainly be a more ludicrous premise) Deborah doesn't have any motivation to do any of the things that made the end of the season so compelling. Left to her own devices, it'd be the story of her trying to blackmail Marty and failing while her staff slowly start to reevaluate their lives in anticipation of her final show. Bored. Ava has chaos energy, she drives the show even as she's a mostly unlikeable character.

And it's *most* of a PhD.

tragabigzanda wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i think the joke being super stupid might be a joke itself.

I think it helps illustrate that Eva’s not as funny as she thinks she is

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i think the joke being super stupid might be a joke itself.

I think it helps illustrate that Eva’s not as funny as she thinks she is

of course, but also i think its a commentary on this moment on culture. There are a lot of jokes about it.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

epilogue wrote:

Mickey wrote:Without the impulses which come from Ava (and absent the introduction of what would almost certainly be a more ludicrous premise) Deborah doesn't have any motivation to do any of the things that made the end of the season so compelling. Left to her own devices, it'd be the story of her trying to blackmail Marty and failing while her staff slowly start to reevaluate their lives in anticipation of her final show. Bored. Ava has chaos energy, she drives the show even as she's a mostly unlikeable character.

And it's *most* of a PhD.

I don't disagree with most of you said here. But what you said here doesn't negate anything Trag and I said.

tragabigzanda wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:the scene with ava, deborah and the other stand up artist drinking coffee is a perfect example of this.

Its brilliant.

This was great. Basically every scene where Deborah is like “you don’t know how easy you’ve got it” is great.

I think the two Ava scenes I really enjoyed were when she got the pepper mill, and the montage scene of her and Deborah bonding while developing her new hour was great.

wease wrote:We started this a couple of nights ago. We’re 4-5 eps in. LOVE it.