Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote: Thats definitely a big part of it, but I think they could get away with a lot of the production glossiness if the underlying songs had more meat on them. They've seemingly had a great desire to trim the fat and simplify many of their new songs. I like the fat. Some people don't like the somewhat meandering, jammy side of the band, but I love it.

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:

IlluminEddie wrote:

stip wrote:

Heathen wrote:

stip wrote:These feel unmastered to me. I really wonder how much of people's issues with later day pearl jam really come down to production--issues with how the songs feel due to their presentation, rather than the writing itself.

I don't really make a distinction. A song is what a song sounds like. Not what the sheet looks like. At least to me. Now I know what you mean of course, so would I like Life Wasted, Unemployable, The Fixer or WWS with a different production? Probably not, unless it was produced in a way that makes the lyrics unhearable.

that's true, and the song is the song. But there were more than a few comments somewhere in this avalanche where people were remarking on how great they tracks felt/sounded (the 5 guys playing in a room) that I think reflects the rawer, unmastered feel of these songs. I can very easily imagine people soured on backspacer's production, for instance, enjoying the unmastered versions of those songs more. Will they become their favorite songs? Of course not. Will it make a difference? it might.

Yup.

In my limited time here over the years, I think RM is known for it's hipster-style remarks. I think that's what you're getting at and I agree. If it's "not released", there's more incentive here to like it because that's the hipster thing to do

to clarify, that was definitely not my point. It's not that these songs were rare that matters. They feel rawer or unprocessed/unmastered. So you can hear the actual song in a purer form. And I think that's attractive to a lot of people--especially since the mastering on the last two albums (of which I am one of the most, if not the most, vocal defenders) does leave something to be desired.

Thats definitely a big part of it, but I think they could get away with a lot of the production glossiness if the underlying songs had more meat on them. They've seemingly had a great desire to trim the fat and simplify many of their new songs. I like the fat. Some people don't like the somewhat meandering, jammy side of the band, but I love it.

digster wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote: Thats definitely a big part of it, but I think they could get away with a lot of the production glossiness if the underlying songs had more meat on them. They've seemingly had a great desire to trim the fat and simplify many of their new songs. I like the fat. Some people don't like the somewhat meandering, jammy side of the band, but I love it.

I feel like this song could be a single. It's not The Fixer, but it's certainly more catchy and accessible than some of the stuff they've released over the years.

digster wrote:Fair enough...I mean, something's catchy or not to a person. I just think if I was able to remember that part after hearing it once or twice it could certainly have that effect on others.

stip wrote:that's a good song.

stip wrote:

digster wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote: Thats definitely a big part of it, but I think they could get away with a lot of the production glossiness if the underlying songs had more meat on them. They've seemingly had a great desire to trim the fat and simplify many of their new songs. I like the fat. Some people don't like the somewhat meandering, jammy side of the band, but I love it.

I feel like this song could be a single. It's not The Fixer, but it's certainly more catchy and accessible than some of the stuff they've released over the years.

really? I've listened to this thing like 10 times today and for all this songs strengths or weaknesses catchiness is far from the list. Truth be told I can't remember how it goes until it starts.

stip wrote:Cold Confession is great, but it sure isn't designed for the radio.