Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Mon December 27, 2021 8:42 pm
BurtReynolds wrote:Anders is the worst person on the entire board.
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Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Mon December 27, 2021 8:43 pm
I meant it in a friendly way.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Mon December 27, 2021 8:45 pm
A decade of peace, stability, and prosperity!Mickey wrote:What happened next?elliseamos wrote:So far, Barry O. has ranked outside the top 2 only once (Burt).
I know with my own rankings it had more to do with the field than his own warring & pharmaceutical loving 8 years. He did get Bin Laden, he did lead us out of the financial collapse, and he did get the Affordable Care Act also known as Socialist Death Squad Plan passed.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Mon December 27, 2021 8:46 pm
4/5 wrote:A decade of peace, stability, and prosperity!Mickey wrote:What happened next?elliseamos wrote:So far, Barry O. has ranked outside the top 2 only once (Burt).
I know with my own rankings it had more to do with the field than his own warring & pharmaceutical loving 8 years. He did get Bin Laden, he did lead us out of the financial collapse, and he did get the Affordable Care Act also known as Socialist Death Squad Plan passed.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Mon December 27, 2021 8:47 pm
Or the rise of right and left wing populism in response to bailouts. Could be either one.4/5 wrote:A decade of peace, stability, and prosperity!Mickey wrote:What happened next?elliseamos wrote:So far, Barry O. has ranked outside the top 2 only once (Burt).
I know with my own rankings it had more to do with the field than his own warring & pharmaceutical loving 8 years. He did get Bin Laden, he did lead us out of the financial collapse, and he did get the Affordable Care Act also known as Socialist Death Squad Plan passed.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Mon December 27, 2021 8:56 pm
Exactly why I find doing such a ranking impossible, outside of the big guns (Reagan and W for me). Most of their choices are completely overdetermined by the details of their historical conjectures: Carter gets stagflation and can't solve it, Obama gets 2008 and "solves it" but look what happens next. Nixon starts the EPA, is that a credit to him? How do you balance withdrawing from Vietnam against intervention in Latin America? And so on, I made a rough list but found myself tempted to overvalue presidents who oversaw periods of relative stability (like Clinton or Bush Sr.) and undervalue folks like Carter or Ford. The bodycount on W. and the ushering in of metropole neoliberalism for Reagan puts them in the bottom tier but then you can argue that we only get Reagan because of Nixon and Carter, etc. etc. They're all ghouls, in the end.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Mon December 27, 2021 9:07 pm
These are presidents of a pretty free country, where power is very much decentralized. I don’t want to downplay their importance, but they aren’t responsible for everything that happens. W Bush & Iraq is one example of a decision that really was his, and was awful. It was Trump’s decision to spend his time stoking resentment (as a “leader”), but the overall flaws/mistakes of the country aren’t all their fault. None of these people always did the right thing, that’s the given.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Mon December 27, 2021 9:18 pm
whats a pretty free country?
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Mon December 27, 2021 9:21 pm
"Free"
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Tue December 28, 2021 1:03 am
Iceland?VinylGuy wrote:whats a pretty free country?
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Tue December 28, 2021 3:00 am
A pretty free country is one where crazies are constantly worried that we’re one step away from tyranny, but the rest of us are living life.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Thu January 20, 2022 12:56 pm
"The departure of five out of 66 "A-Team" officials puts Biden's departure rate as the third lowest since Ronald Reagan's presidency, above only George H.W. Bush and son George W. Bush, the report found." -Axios
Must be worth something in the rankings!
Must be worth something in the rankings!
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Thu January 20, 2022 6:45 pm
Is that even worth mentioning? Two presidents had less departures, and only 3 had more. He's the exact middle of 6 Presidents.elliseamos wrote:"The departure of five out of 66 "A-Team" officials puts Biden's departure rate as the third lowest since Ronald Reagan's presidency, above only George H.W. Bush and son George W. Bush, the report found." -Axios
Must be worth something in the rankings!
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Thu January 20, 2022 7:13 pm
The fact that high ranking bureaucrats are satisfied with Biden is hardly a point in his favor.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Thu January 20, 2022 7:27 pm
Alternately: the problem with Trump was not the turnover or the lack of so-called "adults" in the room.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Thu January 20, 2022 8:54 pm
Soooo, not worth anything in the rankings. Got it.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Thu January 20, 2022 8:59 pm
I mean my overall sense is that this (admittedly self-consciously silly) thread is quite silly, since what a president has the capacity to do is hugely overdetermined by their historical conjecture. Biden is a middling, forgettable president, but I don't know that it's possible for a Democrat to be otherwise right now.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Thu January 20, 2022 9:48 pm
Now that's silly!
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Fri January 21, 2022 1:09 am
I agree that this should improve his rankings (always helps if everyone likes working for the boss), but also agree that Biden probably will end up a “middling, forgettable President”.
There is only so much a President can do. I mean, Trump had 4 years and there’s no real wall out there. Obamacare still exists. Was he incompetent? Yes, but everyone else who wanted that stuff, collectively, weren’t. I feel like the problem isn’t that the crazies will win, it’s that they will muck up the system forever, because… politics/voters allow it. I dunno. The sky is falling all the time, but other than Covid related changes , nothing happens.
There is only so much a President can do. I mean, Trump had 4 years and there’s no real wall out there. Obamacare still exists. Was he incompetent? Yes, but everyone else who wanted that stuff, collectively, weren’t. I feel like the problem isn’t that the crazies will win, it’s that they will muck up the system forever, because… politics/voters allow it. I dunno. The sky is falling all the time, but other than Covid related changes , nothing happens.
Re: RANK THE LAST 10 US PRESIDENTS
Posted: Fri January 21, 2022 1:59 am
Bammer wrote:No real opinion on 1-8.
Trump & Biden come in at 9 & 10 in no particular order.