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Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 4:27 am
by Malloy
Anders wrote:His style makes every other movie seem more real. It doesn’t matter if it’s the Coen brothers, who are also quirky, Lynch, who is weird, or popcorn Marvel movies, no one beats Wes Anderson in levels of fake.
realism is just one of many modes of representation in art. it’s no better or worse than any other — it simply has a different set of conventions.

put another way, all of this shit is fake, most of it is entrenched in an industrial system that is wildly removed from most realities, and the end result is a projection on a giant screen in a dark room

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 4:30 am
by Malloy
Jorge wrote:
completely agree. this is his sci fi movie, which is still indelibly a wes anderson movie. he’s gotten to be a better filmmaker as he’s continued, and each successive movie is a distillation of the ones before it (excluding the last one). that is difficult to pull off

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 5:06 am
by Anders
Malloy wrote:
Anders wrote:His style makes every other movie seem more real. It doesn’t matter if it’s the Coen brothers, who are also quirky, Lynch, who is weird, or popcorn Marvel movies, no one beats Wes Anderson in levels of fake.
realism is just one of many modes of representation in art. it’s no better or worse than any other — it simply has a different set of conventions.

put another way, all of this shit is fake, most of it is entrenched in an industrial system that is wildly removed from most realities, and the end result is a projection on a giant screen in a dark room
No one said otherwise. With Wes Anderson it is clearly on purpose.

Wreck-It Ralph clearly doesn't go for the realism route, yet still it's a great movie. La vita è bella is all too real, but yet it wraps this horrible topic into a comedy with an almost magical twist to it. When I consider a Wes Anderson movie to be poor, it's for a mixture of reasons, not simply because it looks the way it does.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 12:13 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
So you think WA goes for realism, but it’s too fake? I think I’ve lost the beat of this discussion and can’t bother myself to re read the thread. I suppose in mind I don’t consider most of his work of a realism pursuit

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 12:48 pm
by Anders
No, I don’t think WA goes for realism, I said the opposite in the post above yours. But what he intends or goes for is not important, only the end product.

The Coen brothers have a similar vibe in that their characters can be quite quirky, the design and the world the movie inhabits can feel a step away from reality, but the Coen brothers are far superior filmmakers. They have more range, more humor, more drama, better stories. Anderson feels flat and similar from movie to movie.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:10 pm
by VinylGuy
i dont care about realism. Specially in his movies. I just care for good movies, and its been a fucking while since Anderson did something that moved me.

He seems in autopilot for at least a decade now. Its kinda what happened with Burton, were im watching so many stuff that screams "EY ITS ME" that derails the experience of watching a movie for me.

Also, it wasnt easy for me while i worked on an ad agency were every art director jizzed with a simple frame of any of his movies. For christ sake, just buy the Art Of... book.

But im glad for those who seem happy for this.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:32 pm
by The Argonaut
"I'm over the whole Wes Anderson schtick" is a perfectly reasonable take.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:33 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
Anders wrote:No, I don’t think WA goes for realism, I said the opposite in the post above yours. But what he intends or goes for is not important, only the end product.

The Coen brothers have a similar vibe in that their characters can be quite quirky, the design and the world the movie inhabits can feel a step away from reality, but the Coen brothers are far superior filmmakers. They have more range, more humor, more drama, better stories. Anderson feels flat and similar from movie to movie.
I don’t get why you compared it to Wreck It Ralph then. At least not as an apple to apples comparison.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:34 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
The Argonaut wrote:"I'm over the whole Wes Anderson schtick" is a perfectly reasonable take.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with that, just trying to make sense of Anders’ take.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:35 pm
by tree_
I think maybe what Anders means is it doesn't feel real within itself. Wreck It Ralph's story and characters feel like they are consistent within the rules the movie created, while characters and events in WA movies might feel out of place even within their own worlds.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:36 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
I haven’t seen the stop motion one, but The French Dispatch is easily my least favorite. The prior few did take some time to grow on me quite a bit, but I don’t expect TFD to. I’m very intrigued by this trailer though and my hopes are high.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:37 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
tree_ wrote:I think maybe what Anders means is it doesn't feel real within itself. Wreck It Ralph's story and characters feel like they are consistent within the rules the movie created, while characters and events in WA movies might feel out of place even within their own worlds.
I mean yeah I’d say many do, but that’s part of their character. I get if you just don’t like that aspect. If indeed that’s what he’s saying. I think.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:39 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:39 pm
by The Argonaut
lennytheweedwhacker wrote:
The Argonaut wrote:"I'm over the whole Wes Anderson schtick" is a perfectly reasonable take.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with that, just trying to make sense of Anders’ take.
Oh, I have no idea what Anders is trying to say, tbh. It's going over my head

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:40 pm
by BurtReynolds
everyone please calm down.

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:40 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
I do agree there are comparisons to be made to Coens’ brothers or other filmmakers near that vein, but I also view them differently as far as intentions go. I know that was touched on earlier, and it doesn’t always have to affect my take, but I think these do because both are so unique. Just me though opinions anus holes whatever

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:40 pm
by tree_
tragabigzanda wrote:I feel like Anders hasn’t clearly identified that his biggest issue with WA movies is that everyone has a flat emotional affect. Seems like that’s the bush he keeps beating around, but hasn’t explicitly said it.
Everything is flat, not just the characters

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:40 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
The Argonaut wrote:
lennytheweedwhacker wrote:
The Argonaut wrote:"I'm over the whole Wes Anderson schtick" is a perfectly reasonable take.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with that, just trying to make sense of Anders’ take.
Oh, I have no idea what Anders is trying to say, tbh. It's going over my head
Whew

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:43 pm
by The Argonaut
tree_ wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:I feel like Anders hasn’t clearly identified that his biggest issue with WA movies is that everyone has a flat emotional affect. Seems like that’s the bush he keeps beating around, but hasn’t explicitly said it.
Everything is flat, not just the characters
I'm pretty sure the hotel in Grand Budapest Hotel is literally on top of a mountain, so...

Re: Movie: Asteroid City (Wes Anderson)

Posted: Thu March 30, 2023 1:44 pm
by Ello Sailor
Checkmate, flat-Andersoners