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Birds in Hell wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:

tooch wrote:sorry if this has been discussed a ton, but what did you mean about better man (live) being used for the studio version?

The drum track from Atlanta 94 was used as the bed track. All other instruments were studio overdubs.

They actually appear to have used most of the live Atlanta version, I recall the guitars and even the vocals being largely identical. It seems as though they only overdubbed some percussion and acoustic guitar.

Yes. And also, the intro (everything up to when the band kicks in) was recorded by Ed & BO'B in the studio.

theplatypus wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:

tooch wrote:sorry if this has been discussed a ton, but what did you mean about better man (live) being used for the studio version?

The drum track from Atlanta 94 was used as the bed track. All other instruments were studio overdubs.

They actually appear to have used most of the live Atlanta version, I recall the guitars and even the vocals being largely identical. It seems as though they only overdubbed some percussion and acoustic guitar.

Yes. And also, the intro (everything up to when the band kicks in) was recorded by Ed & BO'B in the studio.

Really? I'll listen to them both again but that sounds a bizarre choice not to overdub. Guess I need to read that book huh.

Why would they overdub new guitars when they've already recorded perfectly good ones? Doesn't make sense, unless you're KISS or something.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:Why would they overdub new guitars when they've already recorded perfectly good ones? Doesn't make sense, unless you're KISS or something.

Live set ups are different to studio set ups. There are a multitude of reasons for them to overdub (seperation, clarity, room sound, higher quality microphones, better DI, more precise performance, etc I could go on). But credit to the band if they didn't overdub as it shows just how tight they were but also how in tune they were to a good performance. Or it could have been laziness and complacency.

theplatypus wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:

tooch wrote:sorry if this has been discussed a ton, but what did you mean about better man (live) being used for the studio version?

The drum track from Atlanta 94 was used as the bed track. All other instruments were studio overdubs.

They actually appear to have used most of the live Atlanta version, I recall the guitars and even the vocals being largely identical. It seems as though they only overdubbed some percussion and acoustic guitar.

Yes. And also, the intro (everything up to when the band kicks in) was recorded by Ed & BO'B in the studio.

At about the 4:10 mark Brendan says they used the live track from Atlanta. I believe when this trailer was first released, someone on this board synced the live version to the Vitalogy version (one in the left channel, one in the right) and most people felt they were the same, with a few overdubs.

nomorecrackpipes wrote:There are two Yield rough mixes out there - Pilate & Low Light. Ed's singing and both are actually Jeff songs, so I imagine a Jeff 'demo' exists (since we're parsing things here).

I've never heard about these - care to share?

LetMeSleep wrote:Shall we start a list for the OP?

OK. Let's try to rope in the Gremmie.Net bitchfest and answer the question.

I started a list in the OP. There are a couple of things I don't know.
1) What on Rarities Unreleased Cuts counts as a demo? All of it?
2) What demos on Gremmie.Net do you actually consider demos? What is an alt. take or rough mix?
3) Do you want alt. takes and rough mixes in the list?

Other than that ... please start posting stuff to be added to the list.

B wrote: Other than that ... please start posting stuff to be added to the list.

If we count the Ten Redux things as demos, there are the other "First Week Rehearsals" that were not included on Ten Redux:

Even Flow, Once, Release, Alive, Alone, Oceans, Black, Improv (Yellow Ledbetter).

And then those extra Ten era ones that showed up a couple years back: Master/Slave, Hold On (instrumental), Touch Me I'm Sick, Touch Me I'm Dick, Wishing Well, It Ain't Like That, Blues Jam, Instrumental.

All of these may just be considered rehearsals, but since they're the first known recordings of songs maybe they fit the Demo definition?

delanoche wrote:At about the 4:10 mark Brendan says they used the live track from Atlanta. I believe when this trailer was first released, someone on this board synced the live version to the Vitalogy version (one in the left channel, one in the right) and most people felt they were the same, with a few overdubs.

Yup. Except for the intro. The intro was recorded in the studio.

theplatypus wrote:

delanoche wrote:At about the 4:10 mark Brendan says they used the live track from Atlanta. I believe when this trailer was first released, someone on this board synced the live version to the Vitalogy version (one in the left channel, one in the right) and most people felt they were the same, with a few overdubs.

Yup. Except for the intro. The intro was recorded in the studio.

Exactly. My posting the vid was meant strictly as evidence to back you up, as it also mentions the studio part (which we get to hear the complete version of on the reissue). I'm still pretty amazed that it turned out so well and that all those years I never realized that they used the Atlanta performance.

You can probably add the Elderly Woman 'demo' (acoustic version) from the Go single.

Birds in Hell wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:

tooch wrote:sorry if this has been discussed a ton, but what did you mean about better man (live) being used for the studio version?

The drum track from Atlanta 94 was used as the bed track. All other instruments were studio overdubs.

They actually appear to have used most of the live Atlanta version, I recall the guitars and even the vocals being largely identical. It seems as though they only overdubbed some percussion and acoustic guitar.

I find it interesting that they switched the guitars around, usually Mike is on the left in live recordings, and on the right in the studio. For the Vitalogy version they switched Mike to the right side, does this indicate it is an overdub? or just a production manuever

corduroy2121 wrote:I find it interesting that they switched the guitars around, usually Mike is on the left in live recordings, and on the right in the studio. For the Vitalogy version they switched Mike to the right side, does this indicate it is an overdub? or just a production manuever

Production differences. O'Brien usually puts Mike in the right channel, while Brett's concert mixes have him on the left like you're looking at the stage.

nomorecrackpipes wrote:You can probably add the Elderly Woman 'demo' (acoustic version) from the Go single.

Isn't that just an alternate mix of the album version?

Birds in Hell wrote:

nomorecrackpipes wrote:You can probably add the Elderly Woman 'demo' (acoustic version) from the Go single.

Isn't that just an alternate mix of the album version?

It's at least a different vocal take, as Eddie sings, "of course you can't see me, for I'm not my former..." And the feel of just him and a guitar makes it sound like it could be a demo, or at the very least an early take without the rest of the band. Which would make it similar to the demos for Gone, MOTH, etc.

delanoche wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

nomorecrackpipes wrote:You can probably add the Elderly Woman 'demo' (acoustic version) from the Go single.

Isn't that just an alternate mix of the album version?

It's at least a different vocal take, as Eddie sings, "of course you can't see me, for I'm not my former..." And the feel of just him and a guitar makes it sound like it could be a demo, or at the very least an early take without the rest of the band. Which would make it similar to the demos for Gone, MOTH, etc.

Isn't it something Ed recorded in a shed behind the studio one night and Stone overheard it? Or is that just a Pearl Jam urban legend?

"Vs. Demos" is a classic example of a rough cassette of a final album being mislabeled as "demos" for all of eternity. The same thing happened with an advance promo of "In Utero" with a different running order. For a long time, it was fruitless explaining to people that their precious demos were just a badly copied version of the finished album, and that they were retards for even listening to it. Nirvana fans eventually got the hint, but Pearl Jam fans are still way behind.

Lament wrote:

delanoche wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

nomorecrackpipes wrote:You can probably add the Elderly Woman 'demo' (acoustic version) from the Go single.

Isn't that just an alternate mix of the album version?

It's at least a different vocal take, as Eddie sings, "of course you can't see me, for I'm not my former..." And the feel of just him and a guitar makes it sound like it could be a demo, or at the very least an early take without the rest of the band. Which would make it similar to the demos for Gone, MOTH, etc.

Isn't it something Ed recorded in a shed behind the studio one night and Stone overheard it? Or is that just a Pearl Jam urban legend?

i think the story was he recorded it in his truck. he was living in his truck because the studio was too fancy for his fugazi-informed ethos.

spike wrote:i think the story was he recorded it in his truck. he was living in his truck because the studio was too fancy for his fugazi-informed ethos.

Makes sense. Back in the day "Recorded it in my truck" went right along with "Came up with it while surfing."

delanoche wrote:

B wrote: Other than that ... please start posting stuff to be added to the list.

If we count the Ten Redux things as demos, there are the other "First Week Rehearsals" that were not included on Ten Redux:

Even Flow, Once, Release, Alive, Alone, Oceans, Black, Improv (Yellow Ledbetter).

And then those extra Ten era ones that showed up a couple years back: Master/Slave, Hold On (instrumental), Touch Me I'm Sick, Touch Me I'm Dick, Wishing Well, It Ain't Like That, Blues Jam, Instrumental.

All of these may just be considered rehearsals, but since they're the first known recordings of songs maybe they fit the Demo definition?

Where did TMIS, Hold On (Instrumental), and Master/Slave show up?