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stip wrote:Never Destination is really good. Even Gigaton’s least moments are still fine. this is legit one of their best albums

Never Destination is among my favourites on this record. Even the live versions have a great energy that I love.

guitar_davey wrote:

stip wrote:Never Destination is really good. Even Gigaton’s least moments are still fine. this is legit one of their best albums

Never Destination is among my favourites on this record. Even the live versions have a great energy that I love.

I've listened to Never Destination about once per day for the last 2 months. I love Eddie songs, but they don't consistently pull them off. Everything comes out right on ND, especially that BRY style bridge!

Hatfield wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

stip wrote:Never Destination is really good. Even Gigaton’s least moments are still fine. this is legit one of their best albums

Never Destination is among my favourites on this record. Even the live versions have a great energy that I love.

I've listened to Never Destination about once per day for the last 2 months. I love Eddie songs, but they don't consistently pull them off. Everything comes out right on ND, especially that BRY style bridge!

BRY is a great comp. Fantastic bridge!

guitar_davey wrote:

Hatfield wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

stip wrote:Never Destination is really good. Even Gigaton’s least moments are still fine. this is legit one of their best albums

Never Destination is among my favourites on this record. Even the live versions have a great energy that I love.

I've listened to Never Destination about once per day for the last 2 months. I love Eddie songs, but they don't consistently pull them off. Everything comes out right on ND, especially that BRY style bridge!

BRY is a great comp. Fantastic bridge!

While we're talking comps, Never Destination, from the first listen, has put Springsteen's Open All Night in my head and I can't figure out why, but I like the connection.

It is quite jarring going from Gigaton to Dark Matter from a production standpoint.

i put on 'alright' randomly yesterday. this album is still great. i remember comparing it to 'no code', but i feel it even more with 'dark matter' feeling like yield

warehouse wrote:i put on 'alright' randomly yesterday. this album is still great. i remember comparing it to 'no code', but i feel it even more with 'dark matter' feeling like yield

I get more Riot Act into S/T vibes but I can see that too.

I was anticipating a Riot Act-S/T comparison after the Dark Matter single, which is the most explicitly political (and running, which I read that way with only DM for context). But I like the No Code -Yield analogy more, for a few reasons.

Like No Code, Gigaton is a record that is looking for something, or looking to reawaken something. Both are fundamentally optimistic records. Whereas Riot Act is more defeatist, more concerned with how to hold on in the face of loss. And there are those elements, fairly prominently, in Dark Matter, but Dark Matter doesn't struggle with the question of how to do it. Not really. It more affirms the need and importance. Setting Sun has much more in common with Present Tense than All or None, and no song on Dark Matter stays in a negative space for very long.

And S/T is an angry, abrasive record. Dark Matter is arguably 'heavier' than Yield, but there's a warmth to it, an overriding sense of good will, that has more in common with Yield (or Backspacer, but Backspacer doesn't work for this 1-2 comparison).

I think thematically, the No Code/Yield comparison makes sense as stip described it, as I think there's a foreboding permeating Riot Act that isn't there as much in Gigaton. I think sonically, the best comparison is Riot Act/ST; it's not a perfect 1/1 analogy, but I think there's an emphasis on texture on Riot Act and Gigaton, while S/T and Dark Matter feel like they want immediacy.

I think stip's right that S/T is an "abrasive" record, but it's more in how it's made than how the songs are written. After the first few songs, S/T isn't a particularly abrasive, or even heavy-rocking, record, and I think that sometimes doesn't do the songs many favors. That feels true of Dark Matter as well, and it's one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to a live compilation of DM songs from the tour.

This album just got lost. I expect Never Destination to be played in Seattle, but as of right now, it’s only been played 9 times. River Cross is at 8. Buckle Up and Take the Long Way at 7. Alright at 6. And then Comes Then Goes is still unplayed. Through 9 Dark Matter shows, 6 of the 11 songs have been played at least 8 times. Gigaton never had its moment in the sun.

By the time they hit the road in support of Gigaton, they already had a good amount of the current record in the can and were in a totally different creative space.

I expect they might’ve played the Gigaton material a lot more heavily had they toured in 2020 like originally planned.

Birds in Hell wrote:By the time they hit the road in support of Gigaton, they already had a good amount of the current record in the can and were in a totally different creative space.

I expect they might’ve played the Gigaton material a lot more heavily had they toured in 2020 like originally planned.

I think you nailed it. A shame that Gigaton never got its proper moment to shine.

BTW, I was speaking about the sonic similarities between Gigaton/DM and Riot Act/S/T.

this album is still great, it's just almost the opposite to Dark Matter as far as how it was made. i listened to 'who ever said' yesterday and i was thinking this would be 2 separate songs if they made them with Watt. it's the weirdness of Gigaton that makes me love it, i think.

warehouse wrote:this album is still great, it's just almost the opposite to Dark Matter as far as how it was made. i listened to 'who ever said' yesterday and i was thinking this would be 2 separate songs if they made them with Watt. it's the weirdness of Gigaton that makes me love it, i think.

the weirdness and the production

It's way too early to properly rank DM amongst their other albums, but I would put Gigaton slightly above it right now if I had to choose.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

warehouse wrote:this album is still great, it's just almost the opposite to Dark Matter as far as how it was made. i listened to 'who ever said' yesterday and i was thinking this would be 2 separate songs if they made them with Watt. it's the weirdness of Gigaton that makes me love it, i think.

the weirdness and the production

It's way too early to properly rank DM amongst their other albums, but I would put Gigaton slightly above it right now if I had to choose.

Me too, probably.

i put gigaton well above dark matter. despite pretty much listening to it on repeat since release and seeing four shows this run, other than setting sun no dark matter song has really gotten its hooks in me like most of gigaton did.

i was really disappointed to see never destination cut from the set of one of the shows i was at for yet another version of dte. :/

WES appeared today while listening to a playlist and while i love the song I could totally use a version without Ed’s vocals in the bridge.

But WES is great thanks to that bridge!

i do love it but yesterday i was kinda thrown off with it, i wish there were more instrumental moments with no vocals on it