Red Mosquito

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:Grouping Sirens in with Just Breathe is like grouping NAIS with Off He Goes...

That's not totally fair. Thematically they're pretty similar, and they are each songs full of musical choices that are usually outside pearl jam's wheelhouse.

That's the point I'm making. These are all good songs, to varying degrees, but they sound totally different to one another. People are grouping Sirens and Just Breathe just because they think both songs suck, which is a bit silly.

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:Grouping Sirens in with Just Breathe is like grouping NAIS with Off He Goes...

That's not totally fair. Thematically they're pretty similar, and they are each songs full of musical choices that are usually outside pearl jam's wheelhouse.

That's the point I'm making. These are all good songs, to varying degrees, but they sound totally different to one another. People are grouping Sirens and Just Breathe just because they think both songs suck, which is a bit silly.

"Bad songs" is the category in which they're being grouped, how is that silly?

Birds in Hell wrote:

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:Grouping Sirens in with Just Breathe is like grouping NAIS with Off He Goes...

That's not totally fair. Thematically they're pretty similar, and they are each songs full of musical choices that are usually outside pearl jam's wheelhouse.

That's the point I'm making. These are all good songs, to varying degrees, but they sound totally different to one another. People are grouping Sirens and Just Breathe just because they think both songs suck, which is a bit silly.

"Bad songs" is the category in which they're being grouped, how is that silly?

When people list "songs I personally think are bad", they're doing it with the assumption that people will share their opinion on which songs go in the "shit list". That in itself is not silly, but when there's very little in common between the songs musically, it stands to reason that someone would ask why those songs are being grouped together.

Example, I've never said "Man, FD is as bad as Red Dot", even though I don't like either of them. It wouldn't make much sense.

*rubs temples*

Okay, fine:

harmless wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

harmless wrote:People are grouping Sirens and Just Breathe just because they think both songs suck, which is a bit silly.

"Bad songs" is the category in which they're being grouped, how is that silly?

When people list "songs I personally think are bad", they're doing it with the assumption that people will share their opinion on which songs go in the "shit list".

They are? That seems kind of absurd.

If someone were to say something like "...this is as bad as those other shitty Pearl Jam songs, Come Back and Force of Nature" they're surely only communicating that they personally don't care for the two songs not mentioned; there's nothing there to suggest any other relevant link between the two songs or a presumption that this is a universally-held belief.

In any event, in reference to my off-hand remark that sparked this diversion, I think both Just Breathe and Sirens are mawkishly sentimental ballads featuring prominent acoustic guitar. They're clearly different songs in many respects but they share some obvious similarities. Those similarities, however, had nothing to do with the statement I made; the only relevant information to be gleaned here is that I don't think either of them is very good.

You're seeing things that aren't there (and arguing about them).

harmless wrote:Example, I've never said "Man, FD is as bad as Red Dot", even though I don't like either of them. It wouldn't make much sense.

Except that it would, if you thought that.

it makes sense to compare bad songs if you're talking about bad songs. If you're looking for reasons why songs fit together that's a pretty bad category to use

Birds in Hell wrote:*rubs temples*

Okay, fine:

harmless wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

harmless wrote:People are grouping Sirens and Just Breathe just because they think both songs suck, which is a bit silly.

"Bad songs" is the category in which they're being grouped, how is that silly?

When people list "songs I personally think are bad", they're doing it with the assumption that people will share their opinion on which songs go in the "shit list".

They are? That seems kind of absurd.

If someone were to say something like "...this is as bad as those other shitty Pearl Jam songs, Come Back and Force of Nature" they're surely only communicating that they personally don't care for the two songs not mentioned; there's nothing there to suggest any other relevant link between the two songs or a presumption that this is a universally-held belief.

In any event, in reference to my off-hand remark that sparked this diversion, I think both Just Breathe and Sirens are mawkishly sentimental ballads featuring prominent acoustic guitar. They're clearly different songs in many respects but they share some obvious similarities. Those similarities, however, had nothing to do with the statement I made; the only relevant information to be gleaned here is that I don't think either of them is very good.

You're seeing things that aren't there (and arguing about them).

OK, maybe. I was finding it difficult to articulate what I meant and didn't do it very well. The original post that started this off was seemingly implying that "Sirens" was bad in the same ways as "Just Breathe." If I'm wrong about that, my bad, but I would question why Sirens was as bad as Just Breathe for similar reasons, because they're nothing alike. But if they're both bad just because they're both bad... then fine, I guess.

I think they're both really good songs, and i lump them together, Harmless. Different musical takes on a pretty similar topic

I'll play.

I am looking at it as en extended single playlist, limited to fit on one audio disc. I included Santa Cruz, Ole, and the Speed of Sound demo. I left out The Fixer (I absolutely hate that song), Future Days, and Supersonic

1 MYM - 2:38
2 Lightning Bolt - 4:13
3 GSMF - 2:47
4 Getaway - 3:26
5 Amongst the Waves - 3:57
6 Speed of Sound (demo) - 3:37
7 Sirens - 5:41
8 Infallible - 5:22
9 Got Some - 3:01
10 My Father's Son - 3:07
11 Force of Nature - 4:03
12 Pendulum - 3:44
13 Unthought Known - 4:08
14 Santa Cruz - 3:45
15 Just Breathe - 3:34
15 Johnny Guitar - 2:49
16 Swallowed Whole - 3:51
17 Sleeping By Myself - 3:04
18 Ole - 2:31
19 Let the Records Play - 3:46
20 Yellow Moon - 3:52
21 The End - 2:55

Total - 79:51

stip wrote:I think they're both really good songs, and i lump them together, Harmless. Different musical takes on a pretty similar topic

OK, yeah, I can see them going together in terms of lyrics and sentiment. It's weird that I care so much about lyrics but don't often group songs together based on lyrics. Others seem to more than me.

Pendulum
GSMF
Infallible
Unthought Known
Swallowed Whole
Speed of Sound
Force of Nature
Just Breath
My Fathers Son
Johny Guitar
Lightning Bolt
Mind Your Manners
The End
Getaway
Yellow Moon

There are no less than 4 BS/LB combo threads, so... Bump

if only there was a mod around who could merge them

They serve different purposes.