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Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 6:37 pm
by BlakeWB
I’ve finally really spent some time digesting these albums and I have thoughts. Bear with me.

Starting with Gigaton—Josh Evans was basically given the keys to let the band get weird. He wasn’t just documenting the songs; he was actively shaping and bending them. That album has a raw, exploratory vibe. You hear it in the way synths and loops are introduced—not as background flourishes, but as integral elements of the song structure. Take “Dance of the Clairvoyants”—that’s Pearl Jam leaning into Talking Heads territory, with programmed drum parts, elastic basslines, and sequenced synths. It’s not slick, though—it still feels like it’s held together with tape and instinct. Evans uses space and texture more than precision. A lot of the reverb feels natural, even accidental. Guitar tones are often fuzzy, or oddly compressed. The drums sometimes sit far back in the mix, with roomy mics and plenty of bleed, especially on slower tracks. There’s also a lo-fi warmth throughout—probably a combo of analog gear, tube saturation, and letting imperfections live in the mix.

Dark Matter, on the other hand, is a whole different beast. Andrew Watt came in and put this thing on rails. It’s tight, aggressive, and loud—but in a controlled way. The drums hit hard and clean, especially Matt Cameron’s snare, which is front and center, EQ’d to pop and cut with clarity. Guitars are massive, layered, and mixed like modern hard rock—high midrange presence, little mud, and almost no ambiguity. You can tell Watt wanted energy and immediacy; everything is compressed just enough to glue it together, but not so much that it kills the dynamics. And vocals? Vedder’s voice is treated more like a lead instrument here, often doubled, sometimes subtly tuned, and always right at the front. You won’t find the ambient experimentation of Gigaton here—Watt keeps things clean, fast, and hook-focused. It’s a slicker, shinier sound, but it doesn’t feel overproduced. Just very intentional.

So where Gigaton was about pushing boundaries and inviting chaos into the process, Dark Matter is Pearl Jam getting their punch back—with a modern rock polish.

I think Gigaton is more my preference but I really appreciate Dark Matter..

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 6:42 pm
by VinylGuy
great read

ill spin Gigaton later...what an album.

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 7:06 pm
by Monkey_Driven
I'm so grateful that Gigaton exists.

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 8:05 pm
by lvc
I truly don't get it. Gigaton is the bottom of the bottom of the barrel for me. 4.5 good songs and the rest ranges from "I'm bored" to "They must be bored" with a bit of "The sermons at least used to sound like bangers" mixed in.

HOWEVER, I would love to have Dark Matter but mixed like Gigaton. So at least Gigaton's bottom tier songs are thoroughly audible.

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 8:12 pm
by epilogue
Monkey_Driven wrote:I'm so grateful that Gigaton exists.
:heartbeat:

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 8:14 pm
by epilogue
Gigaton is (for me) the late-era No Code.

For me, No Code is a perfect record from Sometimes - Off He goes.

Gigaton is a perfect record from WES - 7 O'clock.

After that, each respective record has ups and downs but ultimately satisfies with far fewer misses than hits.

I've been listening to everything again lately, and I might... MIGHT... have Gigaton above Yield. Maybe. MAYBE.

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 11:23 pm
by stip
gigaton is a tremendous album. Its just that on dark matter they decided to write songs specifically to my pearl jam sensibilities

i think both dance and stevie are now in my top 5 of the whole catalog. they bumped last exit

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 2:16 am
by Jaeti
epilogue wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:I'm so grateful that Gigaton exists.
:heartbeat:

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 2:17 am
by Jaeti
epilogue wrote:Gigaton is (for me) the late-era No Code.

For me, No Code is a perfect record from Sometimes - Off He goes.

Gigaton is a perfect record from WES - 7 O'clock.

After that, each respective record has ups and downs but ultimately satisfies with far fewer misses than hits.

I've been listening to everything again lately, and I might... MIGHT... have Gigaton above Yield. Maybe. MAYBE.

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 10:28 am
by stip
BlakeWB wrote:.

Dark Matter, on the other hand, is a whole different beast. Andrew Watt came in and put this thing on rails. It’s tight, aggressive, and loud—but in a controlled way. The drums hit hard and clean, especially Matt Cameron’s snare, which is front and center, EQ’d to pop and cut with clarity. Guitars are massive, layered, and mixed like modern hard rock—high midrange presence, little mud, and almost no ambiguity. You can tell Watt wanted energy and immediacy; everything is compressed just enough to glue it together, but not so much that it kills the dynamics. And vocals? Vedder’s voice is treated more like a lead instrument here, often doubled, sometimes subtly tuned, and always right at the front. You won’t find the ambient experimentation of Gigaton here—Watt keeps things clean, fast, and hook-focused. It’s a slicker, shinier sound, but it doesn’t feel overproduced. Just very intentional.

So where Gigaton was about pushing boundaries and inviting chaos into the process, Dark Matter is Pearl Jam getting their punch back—with a modern rock polish.
i appreciate this description/understanding of DM’s sound. great post

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 10:34 am
by epilogue
A great AI generated post, yes.

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 11:59 am
by stip
such cynicism.

but i also dont understand why someone would take the time to craft an AI post about what you like about an album for a message board

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 4:10 pm
by BlakeWB
I was an English major for a while, so I like to write. I don’t respect AI at all.

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 5:44 pm
by stip
that didn't feel like AI writing to me

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 6:42 pm
by epilogue
stip wrote:that didn't feel like AI writing to me
Stay tuned...

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 1:33 am
by Leatherhead
Listening to Gigaton (w/Get it Back) right now. TTLW is going. Dark Matter doesn't hold a candle to Gigaton.

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 1:58 am
by Monkey_Driven
Leatherhead wrote:Listening to Gigaton (w/Get it Back) right now. TTLW is going. Dark Matter doesn't hold a candle to Gigaton.
This guy gets it

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 11:41 am
by epilogue
Leatherhead wrote:Listening to Gigaton (w/Get it Back) right now. TTLW is going. Dark Matter doesn't hold a candle to Gigaton.
:bammer:

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 12:53 pm
by knee tunes
I used to not like gigaton but now I like it a gigaton

wow

Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - Then and Now

Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 11:03 pm
by Thurman Murman
epilogue wrote:Gigaton is (for me) the late-era No Code.

For me, No Code is a perfect record from Sometimes - Off He goes.

Gigaton is a perfect record from WES - 7 O'clock.

After that, each respective record has ups and downs but ultimately satisfies with far fewer misses than hits.

I've been listening to everything again lately, and I might... MIGHT... have Gigaton above Yield. Maybe. MAYBE.
Agree with all of this except maybe the last part. But i do have Gigaton sliding in right behind Yield.

Man that run of WES - 7 O'clock was such an overwhelming surprise for me at the time. Expectations could not have been lower after the whole Ole-LB-Can't Deny Me run of songs over the previous 8-9 years. Was practically in tears by the end of 7 O'Clock...turns out my favorite band wasnt done making quality new music after all.