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Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Wed April 02, 2014 7:35 am
by darthvedder81
Hit: Grievance. "For every tool they lend us/loss of independence" "Champagne breakfast for everyone". It's PJ at their most Libertarian and thus closest to my own political philosophy. Whether that was Ed's intent or not that's my interpretation of it anyway. He wrote it in response to the WTO situation so it's seems more of an attack on crony capitalism than anything.

Miss: Bushleaguer. I have my doubts about all wars (not just the ones Democrats don't like—which in the last 100 years is actually very few). The problem here wasn't Ed going after the administration so much as the ham-fisted way he did it that sounded utterly dated even before W's presidency was over. It's always a danger to be too specific in a political/protest song. The best artists know how to speak more to the underlying issues and ideas so that even when I don't always agree I can still respect the thinking.

Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 3:22 pm
by Bammer
You guys think PJ has made a mistake with their “get out and vote” push, considering the fan base is middle age white dudes? Let’s be honest, that’s a lot of R votes.

Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 3:27 pm
by B
Everyone should have the right to cast their vote, Bammer. Take your sorry, vote-suppressing ass back to Russia.

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Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 3:57 pm
by Let's all laugh at Rangers
darthvedder81 wrote:Hit: Grievance. "For every tool they lend us/loss of independence" "Champagne breakfast for everyone". It's PJ at their most Libertarian and thus closest to my own political philosophy. Whether that was Ed's intent or not that's my interpretation of it anyway. He wrote it in response to the WTO situation so it's seems more of an attack on crony capitalism than anything.

Miss: Bushleaguer. I have my doubts about all wars (not just the ones Democrats don't like—which in the last 100 years is actually very few). The problem here wasn't Ed going after the administration so much as the ham-fisted way he did it that sounded utterly dated even before W's presidency was over. It's always a danger to be too specific in a political/protest song. The best artists know how to speak more to the underlying issues and ideas so that even when I don't always agree I can still respect the thinking.
For every tool they lend us was almost prophetic. I mean, think of internet shopping leading to shops closing down, youtube suddenly going to adverts, DVD's deciding which bits you can and can't fast forward.

I know what you mean about Bu$hleaguer. Perhaps "he's not a leader, he's a UKIP leaguer" would be more topical...

Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 6:13 pm
by guitar_davey
I'll cast my vote for Grievance. WMA is up there as well. I'm also a fan of Unemployable. I thought WWS was fine at the time for what it is.

I also like Bu$hleaguer. I enjoy how it bent a lot of Bush fans out of shape.

No More is probably the worst, although whatever -- I can't argue with the sentiment. EV was clearly going for a 60s protest song vibe -- I think it's just jarring to hear something like that coming from Pearl Jam.

Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 7:21 pm
by RockPusher
Bammer wrote:You guys think PJ has made a mistake with their “get out and vote” push, considering the fan base is middle age white dudes? Let’s be honest, that’s a lot of R votes.
Pearl Jam supports democracy. They know that society is best served by the most people voting possible. I agree with that, and see it as a non-partisan stance.

Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 7:22 pm
by Monkey_Driven
RockPusher wrote:
Bammer wrote:You guys think PJ has made a mistake with their “get out and vote” push, considering the fan base is middle age white dudes? Let’s be honest, that’s a lot of R votes.
Pearl Jam supports democracy. They know that society is best served by the most people voting possible. I agree with that, and see it as a non-partisan stance.

Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 7:33 pm
by Bammer
guitar_davey wrote:I'll cast my vote for Grievance. WMA is up there as well. I'm also a fan of Unemployable. I thought WWS was fine at the time for what it is.

I also like Bu$hleaguer. I enjoy how it bent a lot of Bush fans out of shape.

No More is probably the worst, although whatever -- I can't argue with the sentiment. EV was clearly going for a 60s protest song vibe -- I think it's just jarring to hear something like that coming from Pearl Jam.
I always assumed No More was a cover

Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 7:34 pm
by Bammer
Monkey_Driven wrote:
RockPusher wrote:
Bammer wrote:You guys think PJ has made a mistake with their “get out and vote” push, considering the fan base is middle age white dudes? Let’s be honest, that’s a lot of R votes.
Pearl Jam supports democracy. They know that society is best served by the most people voting possible. I agree with that, and see it as a non-partisan stance.
Please stop taking my posts seriously

Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 7:45 pm
by RockPusher
Bammer wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
RockPusher wrote:
Bammer wrote:You guys think PJ has made a mistake with their “get out and vote” push, considering the fan base is middle age white dudes? Let’s be honest, that’s a lot of R votes.
Pearl Jam supports democracy. They know that society is best served by the most people voting possible. I agree with that, and see it as a non-partisan stance.
Please stop taking my posts seriously
Shouldn't it be "Growing dick, fixing and *firing* things"?
;)

Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 9:30 pm
by B
Bammer wrote:Please stop taking my posts seriously
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Re: PJ Political Hits and Misses...

Posted: Fri August 21, 2020 11:41 pm
by guitar_davey
Bammer wrote:
guitar_davey wrote:I'll cast my vote for Grievance. WMA is up there as well. I'm also a fan of Unemployable. I thought WWS was fine at the time for what it is.

I also like Bu$hleaguer. I enjoy how it bent a lot of Bush fans out of shape.

No More is probably the worst, although whatever -- I can't argue with the sentiment. EV was clearly going for a 60s protest song vibe -- I think it's just jarring to hear something like that coming from Pearl Jam.
I always assumed No More was a cover
I wouldn't be surprised if it's extremely similar to an existing song.