Red Mosquito

Green Habit wrote:

Lament wrote:That hits on one of my pet peeves. I hate when fans complain about how much players make. If the money weren't being given to the players it would just be going into the owners' pockets. It's not like the players are taking money away from fans/teachers/firefighters/whoever people complain "deserves" it.

The next time I hear a left-leaning non-sports person complain about this, I should say something along the lines of "do you want RGIII to get all that money or do you want Dan Snyder to get it?" That ought to end that debate.

Lament wrote:That hits on one of my pet peeves. I hate when fans complain about how much players make. If the money weren't being given to the players it would just be going into the owners' pockets. It's not like the players are taking money away from fans/teachers/firefighters/whoever people complain "deserves" it.

The Seahawks got their starting running back in camp today, and Marshawn Lynch got something out of his brief holdout.

A league source tells PFT that the Seahawks agreed to bump up Lynch’s base salary to persuade Lynch to report.

Under Lynch’s previous contract, he was due to make a $5 million base salary this year, plus $500,000 in per-game roster bonuses, and he could have earned another $500,000 in incentives if he had rushed for 1,500 yards. Now Lynch gets a base salary of $6 million (meaning the Seahawks effectively guaranteed the $1 million he previously would have had to earn), plus they’re taking $500,000 that he had been scheduled to get paid in 2015 and giving it to him now instead. In all, Lynch will make $6.5 million this year.

The Seahawks also agreed not to enforce the fines that they were entitled to dock him from the work he has already missed. We’re also hearing that the league office was pressuring the Seahawks to go after some of Lynch’s signing bonus money if he refused to report, as teams are permitted to do under the Collective Bargaining Agreement. But the Seahawks resisted that.

Instead, the Seahawks and Lynch reached a deal amenable to both sides, and Lynch is in camp, making more money in 2014 than he was scheduled to make under his old deal.

Green Habit wrote:We still need to see the details to see just how much of a bad deal this is for Cincy. If they frontload it to where all the guaranteed money is this year and next, they'll have the ability to cut him without much damage if/when he doesn't deserve an average of $19M per year.

Green Habit wrote:We still need to see the details to see just how much of a bad deal this is for Cincy. If they frontload it to where all the guaranteed money is this year and next, they'll have the ability to cut him without much damage if/when he doesn't deserve an average of $19M per year.

Bammer wrote:Here we go again for the Bills.

Even the announcers last night kept calling their quarterback a tool. That's rough.

elliseamos wrote:

Green Habit wrote:We still need to see the details to see just how much of a bad deal this is for Cincy. If they frontload it to where all the guaranteed money is this year and next, they'll have the ability to cut him without much damage if/when he doesn't deserve an average of $19M per year.

but doesn't that still ignore the fact that he's not worth $19M (or more) now?

Electromatic wrote:

Green Habit wrote:We still need to see the details to see just how much of a bad deal this is for Cincy. If they frontload it to where all the guaranteed money is this year and next, they'll have the ability to cut him without much damage if/when he doesn't deserve an average of $19M per year.

agents put out these numbers, This is probably a best possible scenario and there are a ton of incentives I would guess.

Green Habit wrote:

Electromatic wrote:

Green Habit wrote:We still need to see the details to see just how much of a bad deal this is for Cincy. If they frontload it to where all the guaranteed money is this year and next, they'll have the ability to cut him without much damage if/when he doesn't deserve an average of $19M per year.

agents put out these numbers, This is probably a best possible scenario and there are a ton of incentives I would guess.

Yep. The $115M total is probably accurate on paper but it's the guarantees that count, and agents are notorious for lying about those and getting the breaking news insiders to play ball.

Electromatic wrote:

Green Habit wrote:

Electromatic wrote:

Green Habit wrote:We still need to see the details to see just how much of a bad deal this is for Cincy. If they frontload it to where all the guaranteed money is this year and next, they'll have the ability to cut him without much damage if/when he doesn't deserve an average of $19M per year.

agents put out these numbers, This is probably a best possible scenario and there are a ton of incentives I would guess.

Yep. The $115M total is probably accurate on paper but it's the guarantees that count, and agents are notorious for lying about those and getting the breaking news insiders to play ball.

I'm seeing something like 17 million in guarantees, so its a nice gamble for both parties.

pft wrote:The most important numbers are the numbers fully guaranteed at signing. Dalton receives a signing bonus of $12 million and a roster bonus in three days of $5 million. That’s a total of $17 million out of the gates. Coupled with his $986,000 base salary (which isn’t guaranteed as a legal matter but it is as a practical matter), Dalton will make $18 million in the first year of the deal.

Then, on the third day of the 2015 league year in March, Dalton earns a $4 million roster bonus. He also has a $3 million non-guaranteed base salary in 2015. That’s $25 million over two years.

Dalton passed on the opportunity to load injury-only guarantees into the contract, since the Bengals would have wanted Dalton to buy a disability policy similar to the one that the 49ers had Colin Kaepernick buy as part of his six-year extension. The policy cost $2 million in pre-tax dollars, and (as we’ll explain in a separate post) creates a bizarre donut hole of protection for the player and the team.

The rest of the base deal is simple. In addition to annual workout bonuses of $200,000, Dalton has base salaries of $10.5 million in 2016, $13.1 million in 2017, $13.7 million in 2018, $16 million in 2019, and $17.5 million in 2020.

Unlike the Kaepernick deal, which loaded up the base value artificially and then used de-escalators based on playing time and team or personal achievements, Dalton’s deal potentially goes up, not down.