Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 7:55 pm
She was in the middle of a big career upswing that involved surgery and coma.Self wrote:@SkitchP wrote:Guys, she was more relevant than Robin Williams was a month ago.
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Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 7:57 pm
I'm always late to the party.McParadigm wrote:She was in the middle of a big career upswing that involved surgery and coma.Self wrote:@SkitchP wrote:Guys, she was more relevant than Robin Williams was a month ago.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:00 pm
McParadigm wrote:She was in the middle of a big career upswing that involved surgery and coma.Self wrote:@SkitchP wrote:Guys, she was more relevant than Robin Williams was a month ago.
As opposed to a cancelled CBS comedy?
Robin Williams was brilliant, but what were all the movies people were quoting? Good Will Hunting is 15+ years old. Dead Poets Society is what, 20, 25? Hell even One Hour Photo is a decade old. Joan Rivers was still very very visible in Hollywood through all her cable fashion shows, and things like that. It's just not someone that's going to have an impact on an educated white male such as yourself. And there is nothing wrong with that, but to pin your indifference on the passage of time is the equivalent of stip blaming everything on his kids.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:08 pm
@SkitchP wrote:McParadigm wrote:She was in the middle of a big career upswing that involved surgery and coma.Self wrote:@SkitchP wrote:Guys, she was more relevant than Robin Williams was a month ago.
As opposed to a cancelled CBS comedy?
Robin Williams was brilliant, but what were all the movies people were quoting? Good Will Hunting is 15+ years old. Dead Poets Society is what, 20, 25? Hell even One Hour Photo is a decade old. Joan Rivers was still very very visible in Hollywood through all her cable fashion shows, and things like that. It's just not someone that's going to have an impact on an educated white male such as yourself. And there is nothing wrong with that, but to pin your indifference on the passage of time is the equivalent of stip blaming everything on his kids.
Visible in recent years for carving a career out of carving other people up and being 'funny' at other peoples expense because of whatever they were wearing. hardly relevant in any broad sense and a weak and mean version of her former self.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:10 pm
I'm a big fan of this new Skitch account. He has bite.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:14 pm
What point are you arguing here, that Joan Rivers is a bigger loss than Robin Williams because she was more visible in recent years?@SkitchP wrote:McParadigm wrote:She was in the middle of a big career upswing that involved surgery and coma.Self wrote:@SkitchP wrote:Guys, she was more relevant than Robin Williams was a month ago.
As opposed to a cancelled CBS comedy?
Robin Williams was brilliant, but what were all the movies people were quoting? Good Will Hunting is 15+ years old. Dead Poets Society is what, 20, 25? Hell even One Hour Photo is a decade old. Joan Rivers was still very very visible in Hollywood through all her cable fashion shows, and things like that. It's just not someone that's going to have an impact on an educated white male such as yourself. And there is nothing wrong with that, but to pin your indifference on the passage of time is the equivalent of stip blaming everything on his kids.
Not poking holes, just trying to get to the root of your argument.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:15 pm
Nobody's arguing visibility, Skitcher. I'm just saying, you know...so what?
Her entire contribution at this point in her life was "that's that weird lady with all the surgeries who talks about what stars are wearing and is kinda catty in an old people way." It's not a contribution that warrants any standing around pretending that we've lost something.
Robin Williams could at least say he was still involved in a craft that sometimes resulted in works that affected people, or that wanted to be of more lasting worth than a joke about Rene Zellwiger's face. World's Greatest Dad comes to mind. He might have had further accomplishments...works that might have really mattered to some people...and if so, we lost those. At the very least, we can say that he was still trying.
There was apparently a time in Joan's life where the same could have been said. In terms of professional works, that time is past, and her loss is no loss.
If you want to feel for her family, I'm all for it. If you want to pretend that being a gossip on television made her significant, have fun I guess.
Her entire contribution at this point in her life was "that's that weird lady with all the surgeries who talks about what stars are wearing and is kinda catty in an old people way." It's not a contribution that warrants any standing around pretending that we've lost something.
Robin Williams could at least say he was still involved in a craft that sometimes resulted in works that affected people, or that wanted to be of more lasting worth than a joke about Rene Zellwiger's face. World's Greatest Dad comes to mind. He might have had further accomplishments...works that might have really mattered to some people...and if so, we lost those. At the very least, we can say that he was still trying.
There was apparently a time in Joan's life where the same could have been said. In terms of professional works, that time is past, and her loss is no loss.
If you want to feel for her family, I'm all for it. If you want to pretend that being a gossip on television made her significant, have fun I guess.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:23 pm
I just thought she was funny. Once someone gets over 80 the 'great loss' thing kinda goes away. So in that way Robin Williams death was more personally affecting even though I probably laughed more with Joan the Robin. Let's face it Robin Williams could get pretty annoying.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:26 pm
What about the starving children in Africa?
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:27 pm
They're funny too.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:27 pm
BurtReynolds wrote:What about the starving children in Africa?
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:31 pm
Robin Williams was very annoying most of the time with some brilliance scattered about.bada wrote:I just thought she was funny. Once someone gets over 80 the 'great loss' thing kinda goes away. So in that way Robin Williams death was more personally affecting even though I probably laughed more with Joan the Robin. Let's face it Robin Williams could get pretty annoying.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:32 pm
Not arguing that one or the other was a bigger loss in actuality.theplatypus wrote:What point are you arguing here, that Joan Rivers is a bigger loss than Robin Williams because she was more visible in recent years?@SkitchP wrote:McParadigm wrote:She was in the middle of a big career upswing that involved surgery and coma.Self wrote:@SkitchP wrote:Guys, she was more relevant than Robin Williams was a month ago.
As opposed to a cancelled CBS comedy?
Robin Williams was brilliant, but what were all the movies people were quoting? Good Will Hunting is 15+ years old. Dead Poets Society is what, 20, 25? Hell even One Hour Photo is a decade old. Joan Rivers was still very very visible in Hollywood through all her cable fashion shows, and things like that. It's just not someone that's going to have an impact on an educated white male such as yourself. And there is nothing wrong with that, but to pin your indifference on the passage of time is the equivalent of stip blaming everything on his kids.
Not poking holes, just trying to get to the root of your argument.
Just curious why you guys were somewhat dismissive of the death of Joan Rivers based on lack of recent visibility, but were not making the same points about Robin Williams, and if i recall, were both very upset by his death.
If it comes from a personal impact they had on your lives, or even view of entertainment, that I can wholeheartedly agree with and understand. But it's disingenuous to blame it on recent output.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:35 pm
Where did you get that I was dismissive of her death "based on lack of recent visibility"?@SkitchP wrote:Just curious why you guys were somewhat dismissive of the death of Joan Rivers based on lack of recent visibility
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:36 pm
McParadigm wrote:If you've barely even paid any attention to her in the last twenty years, how big a loss can this be?
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:37 pm
McParadigm wrote:Then I suppose, if she had died at that time, it probably would have been a loss.E.H. Ruddock wrote:You should watch some of her early standup. Truly was groundbreaking and funny as shitKaius wrote:I don't know anything about her, honestly. I just think of E! and tabloids and Botox and plastic and it just snowballs from there.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:37 pm
yours wasn't as dismissive as I remembered it being jorge
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:38 pm
IIRC, this was in direct response to DcT's statement that he hadn't paid attention to Joan Rivers' work in recent years.@SkitchP wrote:McParadigm wrote:If you've barely even paid any attention to her in the last twenty years, how big a loss can this be?
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:39 pm
and Im not nearly as bothered by this as my posts look like.
Just pointing it out.
Just pointing it out.
Re: RIP Joan Rivers
Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 8:39 pm
In large part because I really don't give a shit about celebrity deaths.