Red Mosquito

Sgt. Crackpot wrote: I think the main issue with Dave A was, that he loved and relsihed the whole celebrity/rockstar lifestyle. Whereas Ed, and to some extent the rest of the band, weren't comfortable at all with it. I think a big part of the whole 'grunge' scene was that it wasn't cool to be famous and enjoy it at the same time.

Birds in Hell wrote:I don't think there was any musical reason for Dave's exit from the band, I think one of the band (Mike?) says as much in the PJ20 book; it was strictly a personality issue and, even then, only for Ed and Jeff.

As much as I think the band made a great deal of their best music with Jack behind the kit, I don't think any of their drummers have been as natural a fit for the band as Dave was. I wouldn't change a thing about any of his parts, they're all perfect for the songs.

noneofyabidness wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote: I think the main issue with Dave A was, that he loved and relsihed the whole celebrity/rockstar lifestyle. Whereas Ed, and to some extent the rest of the band, weren't comfortable at all with it. I think a big part of the whole 'grunge' scene was that it wasn't cool to be famous and enjoy it at the same time.

The whole scene was about how to make as much money as possible while pretending to not like making money. Dave was just terrible at masking the joy of making money.

96583UP wrote:Maybe now that PJ are comfortable being rock stars they can ask Dave A. to come back.

He'd give them some street credit given that PJ's lead singer now peddles gift cards, plays corporate gigs, and lives half the year in Hawaii.

Or would Dave A. still not fit because he is a "technical" (i.e. skilled, professional) drummer; whereas PJ play by "feeling" (i.e. are fuckmasters who copy other bands).

FUCK YOU COCKMOTHERFUCKS

I don't even know what I am mad at

Actually, yes I do. Dave A was a damn good drummer

and I am mad at Ed for Manopausing on him.

just cause Ed was all salty about having an abortion with Beth just because it was cool then to have an abortion

Jack Irons was great though

and that first year with Matt Cameron was great too

but Matt needs to go back to Soundgarden and PJ need to hire a head coach like Jay Gruden to call them out for their inadequacies.

Like, fuck PJ Anniversaries. And, like, stop coddling this band. And, like, fuck all these re-issues and merchandise.

Hey look at me, it's been 20 years since I shit in the upper tank of someone's bathroom at a house party!!

Let's all meet at Wrigley Field and sell some t-shirts for 4 days about it!!

Cockmonkeys

96583UP wrote:Cockmonkeys

Strat wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:I don't think there was any musical reason for Dave's exit from the band, I think one of the band (Mike?) says as much in the PJ20 book; it was strictly a personality issue and, even then, only for Ed and Jeff.

As much as I think the band made a great deal of their best music with Jack behind the kit, I don't think any of their drummers have been as natural a fit for the band as Dave was. I wouldn't change a thing about any of his parts, they're all perfect for the songs.

Nah. Ament had state dnumerous times he and dave did not speak the same language. Dont quote me verbatim but a big comment from jeff was something "I would tell dave to play like the buzzcocks and he would have no clue"

LetMeSleep wrote: As to his not having a career after PJ, the interviews suggest he was completely burnt by the treatment he received.

Mine wrote:I don't think anybody has even a slightest idea why he was fired honestly. My impression is that they didn't see him as a good fit for the band and/or simply didn't like having him around.

Mine wrote:Dave's importance in PJ's music is absurdly exaggerated though, considering he barely made any song writing contributions to the band regardless of how good a drummer he is.

McParadigm wrote:

Mine wrote:I don't think anybody has even a slightest idea why he was fired honestly. My impression is that they didn't see him as a good fit for the band and/or simply didn't like having him around.

It's always struck me as weird that a group of musicians who weren't high school besties with a rich personal history, who were barely getting along with each other at the time anyway, and whose collective bond would never really be all that great in the years to come would feel the need to point one guy out and be like, "That's the fucker...that's the one that needs to go."

I remember reading something a long time ago about him suggesting Daughter as a single during the Vs sessions, and the room getting awkwardly quiet. Like he'd done something so fundamentally wrong and poorly judged that nobody could even talk about it, or find a way to save the conversation. And then the band released Daughter as a single. What a bunch of weirdos.

Brett wrote:There are strengths and weaknesses for everyone who has sat behind the kit for this band, and unfortunately not one of them is ably suited to effectively tackle all parts of the band's catalog.

Leatherhead wrote:

Brett wrote:There are strengths and weaknesses for everyone who has sat behind the kit for this band, and unfortunately not one of them is ably suited to effectively tackle all parts of the band's catalog.

this seems weird, doesn't it?

Mine wrote: Dave's importance in PJ's music is absurdly exaggerated though, considering he barely made any song writing contributions to the band regardless of how good a drummer he is.